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From: Max Brieiev <max.brieiev@gmail.com>
To: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
Cc: emacs-tangents@gnu.org, Alexandre Garreau <galex-713@galex-713.eu>
Subject: Re: why conflict [Was: Re: no to war in Ukraine]
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2022 10:43:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o82qvzaf.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DC050C24-78C2-4CFD-AF69-97D89302D102@gnu.support> (Jean Louis's message of "Tue, 01 Mar 2022 06:01:01 +0000")

Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support> writes:

> Big statements there, with zero references. This is not conspiracy website.

You made some big statements as well about justification of invasion
into Ukraine.

You accuse Ukraine of complex political situation. My friend, Ukraine is
the most democratic country of the former USSR. Not only that, Ukraine
is doing good progress in eliminating corruption, just check
Transparency International reports since 2014. The whole country is
being reformed after 2014 revolution, despite huge resources are being
drained into the conflict in the east. Zelensky was elected by 72% of
voters. What is so complex about that? He is a jew and he is native
Russian speaker. How could nazi allow that? Maybe your nazi proclaims
are just a myth?

Look at the Russian mercenaries of Wagner group, who are serving Russian
government. Just google for it and their leader Dmitry Utkin. Those are
true nazis! And they are here right now, in Ukraine, fighting Ukrainian
people. True "liberators"!

Ukraine has some disgraceful past of World War II period, related to
Polish people. That is true. This was a tragedy and I am ashamed of
it. But how can you link the events of WW2 to the current time, saying
that things are the same?  Also, this is not Poland, who is attacking
Ukraine, but Russia.

All your references are about the conflict in 2014. The war is not only
about battles. It is also the time, when marauders and criminals are
doing their nasty things. This was the time when Russia invaded Crimea
and Donbass region, just a couple days after euromaidan succeded, a
total mess, we had no government, no army, nothing!

And so I see your words as misinformation or propaganda, most Ukrainians
don't share your views. There can't be any justification for
invasion. You are blurring the fact that Russia invaded Ukraine, and
Ukrainian people are giving their lives at this very moment.




  reply	other threads:[~2022-03-01  8:43 UTC|newest]

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     [not found] ` <trinity-91ab7da3-86cd-454a-9b41-e6b6d4bf5fbb-1645957364271@3c-app-mailcom-bs09>
     [not found]   ` <YhtX4C9E9JWWw3Ar@tuxteam.de>
2022-02-27 11:27     ` no to war in Ukraine Alexandre Garreau
     [not found] ` <6365757.nJ7RtekbVj@galex-713.eu>
     [not found]   ` <87fso47mzt.fsf@yahoo.com>
     [not found]     ` <5568043.OSE0SheIR2@galex-713.eu>
2022-02-28  9:26       ` Jean Louis
     [not found] ` <7f8b6dc4-a621-2ab4-86ab-79325a1f2a0c@yandex.ru>
     [not found]   ` <95a64961-9a77-bd7a-a4c2-77ae3f9e5bb7@rixotstudio.cz>
2022-02-27 11:45     ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-27 12:02       ` Jacob Hrbek
2022-02-27 13:51       ` Jean Louis
2022-02-28 12:01         ` Max Brieiev
2022-02-28 12:31           ` Jean Louis
2022-02-28 14:58             ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-28 16:59               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-02-28 15:22             ` why conflict [Was: Re: no to war in Ukraine] Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-28 16:27               ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-01 14:28                 ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-01 22:44                   ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-02  1:08                   ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-01  6:01               ` Jean Louis
2022-03-01  8:43                 ` Max Brieiev [this message]
2022-03-01  9:52                   ` Jean Louis
2022-03-01 15:19                     ` Max Brieiev
     [not found]                 ` <12751820.zrU1mtMFnZ@galex-713.eu>
2022-03-01  9:24                   ` Jean Louis
2022-03-01 16:22                     ` War is bad " dick
2022-03-01 17:05                 ` why conflict " Alfred M. Szmidt
2022-02-28 14:42         ` no to war in Ukraine Alexandre Garreau
2022-03-01  7:27           ` Jean Louis
2022-03-01 14:34             ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-28 12:12     ` Yuri Khan
2022-02-28 12:17       ` Jacob Hrbek
2022-02-28 13:08         ` Jean Louis
2022-02-28 12:43       ` Jean Louis
     [not found]   ` <YhyTqSvVkyfQCDtX@protected.localdomain>
     [not found]     ` <87ilszw2go.fsf@zoho.eu>
2022-02-28 14:26       ` Jean Louis
2022-02-28 14:47         ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-01  9:16           ` Jean Louis
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     [not found]   ` <3cf3a903-10fb-76e4-24f8-d2e48d045f5c@rixotstudio.cz>
     [not found]     ` <YhyTBXF/DpCMCn7t@protected.localdomain>
     [not found]       ` <bb25e38f-6ecc-ac8d-0d35-140c07261369@rixotstudio.cz>
2022-02-28 12:15         ` Po Lu
2022-02-28 13:34           ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-02-28 15:29             ` Max Brieiev
2022-02-28 18:05               ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-01  9:34                 ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
     [not found]         ` <44446637.PyEFFFD7HL@galex-713.eu>
     [not found]           ` <E1nOu3v-0003Ks-Le@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]             ` <87r17myqla.fsf@zoho.eu>
2022-03-01 10:06               ` Po Lu
2022-03-01 14:05                 ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
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     [not found]       ` <87zgmauhq3.fsf@mat.ucm.es>
2022-03-01 12:59         ` Jean Louis
2022-03-01 17:39           ` Uwe Brauer
2022-03-02  1:19             ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-06  1:03               ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
     [not found]             ` <Yh+0Yr6xR78m2oCI@protected.localdomain>
     [not found]               ` <87bkykh9gp.fsf@mat.ucm.es>
2022-03-06  9:49                 ` Jean Louis
2022-03-06 14:09                   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                     ` <87cziz80qo.fsf@mat.ucm.es>
2022-03-07 15:35                       ` Jean Louis
2022-03-08 18:12                         ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-08 20:11                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-03-08 20:21                             ` Tom Davey
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     [not found]           ` <875yoyymr8.fsf@zoho.eu>
2022-03-01 13:02             ` Jean Louis
2022-03-01 14:08               ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
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2022-03-01 13:05           ` Jean Louis
2022-03-01 14:10             ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-01 17:09             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
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2022-03-01 15:52     ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-03-01 16:11       ` goncholden

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