From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sacha Chua Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: 2022-07-25 Emacs news Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2022 16:48:03 -0400 Message-ID: <87o7xc6hrw.fsf@sachachua.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5418"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-tangents@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:3hm7clfybs0a+p97F+SIKTQV/vw= Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 25 22:48:57 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oG50Y-0000z5-W9 for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2022 22:48:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34066 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oG50X-00082X-Ue for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2022 16:48:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44244) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oG504-000829-Bj for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2022 16:48:24 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:50650) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oG500-0002pI-AL for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2022 16:48:24 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oG4zu-00005g-Sy for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2022 22:48:14 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:896 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="==-=-=" --==-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 2022-07-25 Emacs news ===================== - [EmacsConf 2022 Call for Participation] () ([Reddit] ()) - Upcoming events: - Emacs Berlin (virtual, in English) Wed Jul 27 0930 Vancouver / 1130 Chicago / 1230 Toronto / 1630 GMT / 1830 Berlin / 2200 Kolkata -- Thu Jul 28 0030 Singapore - M-x Research (contact them for password): TBA Tue Aug 2 0800 Vancouver / 1000 Chicago / 1100 Toronto / 1500 GMT / 1700 Berlin / 2030 Kolkata / 2300 Singapore - Emacs Paris (virtual, in French) Tue Aug 2 0830 Vancouver / 1030 Chicago / 1130 Toronto / 1530 GMT / 1730 Berlin / 2100 Kolkata / 2330 Singapore - EmacsATX: Emacs Social Wed Aug 3 1630 Vancouver / 1830 Chicago / 1930 Toronto / 2330 GMT -- Thu Aug 4 0130 Berlin / 0500 Kolkata / 0730 Singapore - Emacs users group Slovenia Thu Aug 4 1100 Vancouver / 1300 Chicago / 1400 Toronto / 1800 GMT / 2000 Berlin / 2330 Kolkata -- Fri Aug 5 0200 Singapore - Emacs configuration: - [What are some must-have packages for emacs?] () - [How do you manage several similar emacs configs?] () - Emacs Lisp: - [[ANN] plz.el v0.2: Adds simple request queue (HTTP library)] () - [How to add to a function's documentation] () - Appearance: - [Marcin Borkowski: Making some things more legible] () - [Protesilaos Stavrou: Emacs: pulsar version 0.4.0] () highlight current line - [Andrey Listopadov: Limiting Horizontal Scroll In Emacs] () - [Protesilaos Stavrou: Iosevka Comfy version 0.3.0] () - Navigation: - [consult-jump-project: quickly switch between projects] () - [Tory Anderson: Stop find-file from ignoring .git] () - Dired: - [Emacs Dired extras by Prot ?] () (2021, [Reddit] ()) - Writing: - [Scrivener VS. Emacs | Master Mode Text Editors Compared Head To Head] () (08:49) - [Protesilaos Stavrou: Emacs: denote version 0.4.0] () - [Trying Out Prot's Denote, an Org Roam Alternative?] () (02:01:04) - [localauthor: Emacs: Getting started with zk, using hydra and an inbox note] () - [localauthor: Emacs: Quickly find and insert links in zk notes, with Embark] () ([YouTube] (), 7:32) - Org Mode: - [Don't forget to sharpen your axe] () ([Reddit] ()) ox-hugo - [Guitar theory with Org drill] () - [Unintended consequences of removing org-speed-commands-user] () ([Reddit] ()) - [Using `rustic`, `eglot`, and `org-babel` for literate programming with `LSP` support in `emacs`] () - Completion: - [jao: consult recoll with live preview] () - [Mickey Petersen: Fuzzy Finding with Emacs Instead of fzf] () - Coding: - [alphapapa/obvious.el: Who needs comments when the code is so obvious] () ([Reddit] ()) - [Tassilo Horn: Using Eldoc with Magit (asynchronously!)] () - [zuul.el: Interface to Zuul from Emacs] () ([Reddit] ()) browse build output - [Meta Redux: Leiningen Adds Support for nREPL's Unix Sockets] () - Shells: - [Alvaro Ramirez: dwim-shell-command on Melpa] () ([Reddit] ()) - [Running Shells and Terminal Emulators in Emacs] () (2019, [Reddit] (), [Irreal] ()) - Mail and news: - [Alex Schroeder: Decrypting MIME multipart messages in Rmail] () - Doom Emacs: - [Help spread the knowledge for the doom emacs community using chords package and some of my own configuration] () - [DOOM Emacs VS Neovim/Vim | Trying out Doom Emacs - Thoughts on Doom Emacs.] () (12:58) - Community: - [Weekly Tips, Tricks, &c. 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Emacs | Master Mode Text Editors Compared Head To Head]] (08:49) - [[https://protesilaos.com/codelog/2022-07-25-denote-0-4-0/][Protesilaos Stavrou: Emacs: denote version 0.4.0]] - [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcRY_rsX0yY][Trying Out Prot's Denote, an Org Roam Alternative?]] (02:01:04) - [[https://localauthor.github.io/posts/zk-hydra.html][localauthor: Emacs: Getting started with zk, using hydra and an inbox note]] - [[https://localauthor.github.io/posts/zk-links.html][localauthor: Emacs: Quickly find and insert links in zk notes, with Embark]] ([[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIPxC8TMR6s][YouTube]], 7:32) - Org Mode: - [[https://www.sastibe.de/2022/07/dont-forget-to-sharpen-your-axe/][Don't forget to sharpen your axe]] ([[https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/w789ep/dont_forget_to_sharpen_your_axe/][Reddit]]) ox-hugo - [[https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/w6d3jb/guitar_theory_with_org_drill/][Guitar theory with Org drill]] - [[https://list.orgmode.org/87zgpolbnd.fsf@onenetbeyond.org/t/#m1c4843f60afc92b44dfeaf1d01481f97c6acf295][Unintended consequences of removing org-speed-commands-user]] ([[https://www.reddit.com/r/orgmode/comments/w3tal7/just_noticedorgmode_version_95_removed/][Reddit]]) - [[https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/w4f4u3/using_rustic_eglot_and_orgbabel_for_literate/][Using `rustic`, `eglot`, and `org-babel` for literate programming with `LSP` support in `emacs`]] - Completion: - [[https://jao.io/blog/2022-07-22-consult-recoll-with-live-preview.html][jao: consult recoll with live preview]] - [[http://www.masteringemacs.org/article/fuzzy-finding-emacs-instead-of-fzf][Mickey Petersen: Fuzzy Finding with Emacs Instead of fzf]] - Coding: - [[https://github.com/alphapapa/obvious.el][alphapapa/obvious.el: Who needs comments when the code is so obvious]] ([[https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/w4qbsk/alphapapaobviousel_who_needs_comments_when_the/][Reddit]]) - [[https://tsdh.org/posts/2022-07-20-using-eldoc-with-magit-async.html][Tassilo Horn: Using Eldoc with Magit (asynchronously!)]] - [[https://sr.ht/~niklaseklund/zuul.el/][zuul.el: Interface to Zuul from Emacs]] ([[https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/w3n8ec/ann_zuulel_an_interface_to_zuul_from_emacs/][Reddit]]) browse build output - [[https://metaredux.com/posts/2022/07/25/leiningen-adds-support-for-nrepl-s-unix-sockets.html][Meta Redux: Leiningen Adds Support for nREPL's Unix Sockets]] - Shells: - [[http://xenodium.com/dwim-shell-command-on-melpa][Alvaro Ramirez: dwim-shell-command on Melpa]] ([[https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/w763tz/dwimshellcommand_on_melpa_any_minute_now_link_in/][Reddit]]) - [[https://www.masteringemacs.org/article/running-shells-in-emacs-overview][Running Shells and Terminal Emulators in Emacs]] (2019, [[https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/w2715j/running_shells_and_terminal_emulators_in_emacs/][Reddit]], [[https://irreal.org/blog/?p=10684][Irreal]]) - Mail and news: - [[https://alexschroeder.ch/wiki/2022-07-24_Decrypting_MIME_multipart_messages_in_Rmail][Alex Schroeder: Decrypting MIME multipart messages in Rmail]] - Doom Emacs: - [[https://www.reddit.com/r/DoomEmacs/comments/w63jgf/help_spread_the_knowledge_for_the_doom_emacs/][Help spread the knowledge for the doom emacs community using chords package and some of my own configuration]] - [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvlNv16n6tM][DOOM Emacs VS Neovim/Vim | Trying out Doom Emacs - Thoughts on Doom Emacs.]] (12:58) - Community: - [[https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/w3gx6o/weekly_tips_tricks_c_thread/][Weekly Tips, Tricks, &c. Thread]] - [[https://youtu.be/0R6X3joHEjg][How I started my Emacs adventure]] (14:39, [[https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/w3swpy/how_i_started_my_emacs_adventure/][Reddit]]) - [[https://protesilaos.com/codelog/2022-07-24-report-issues-official-channels/][Protesilaos Stavrou: Random sites are not tech support for my Emacs packages]] - [[https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/3-text-editors-compared][Vim vs. Nano vs. Emacs: Three sysadmins weigh in | Enable Sysadmin]] ([[https://irreal.org/blog/?p=10688][Irreal]]) - [[https://www.reddit.com/gallery/w2zwk2][I made an Emacs hat!]] - Other: - [[https://in.comum.org/smart-way-to-close-files.html][Showing diff before kill file]] ([[https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/w3ag5g/showing_diff_before_kill_file/][Reddit]]) - [[https://ag91.github.io/blog/2022/07/23/delete-filename-or-list-of-filenames-in-region-with-one-emacs-command/][Delete filename or list of filenames in region with one Emacs command - Where parallels crossregion with one Emacs command]] - [[http://mbork.pl/2022-07-25_Make_pass_help_me_remember_my_passwords][Marcin Borkowski: Make pass help me remember my passwords]] - [[https://cyberthal-ghost.nfshost.com/the-lazy-way-to-downgrade-brew-to-an-earlier-version-of-emacs-on-macos/][Cyberthal: The lazy way to "downgrade brew" to an earlier version of Emacs on MacOS]] - [[https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/w51jdu/a_summary_and_rant_on_the_state_of_emacs_on/][A summary and rant on the state of Emacs on Windows NT in 2022]] - Emacs development: - [[https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2022-07/msg00301.html][emacs-devel: Discussion about implementing child frames on terminal]] - [[https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/etc/NEWS?id=2c980815f5c88c14cf7567aa12eb23fc1d41d5d1][Add new user option 'diff-whitespace-style']] - [[https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/etc/NEWS?id=96926fa6eb0f71f47586d50ac5532b57bff1ab54][Fix `lsh` warning shortcomings (bug#56641)]] - [[https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/etc/NEWS?id=72a457e92e3b13b071b29afa8912a244843d04bc][Warn about calls to `lsh` (bug#56641)]] - [[https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/etc/NEWS?id=a24f710395f9777cb9f8b000300e5e9c892d7794][Don't use the Gtk region face]] - [[https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/etc/NEWS?id=e5de76b72e75aaa04d83331ebc4d72dadd7eed77][New user option to disable deleting current input in comint mouse-2]] - [[https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/etc/NEWS?id=8fac539b507f8cbf434b82af504066b575201e16][(compilation-parse-errors-function): Remove obsolete var]] - [[https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/etc/NEWS?id=616da8fa8efa9023f56fa731072d877e2150afbc][Merge branch 'feature/fix-the-long-lines-display-bug']] - [[https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/etc/NEWS?id=c7eef61eee179d127d4edeb828c723f4dee530b4][Further tweaks to long lines handling.]] - [[https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/etc/NEWS?id=c32212bf966523e3a3153c5ad2c131d140aeff8a][(help-fns--first-release): Try and avoid false positives]] - New packages: - https://melpa.org/#/cardano-tx: Cardano transaction editor (MELPA) - https://melpa.org/#/dwim-shell-command: Shell commands with DWIM behaviour (MELPA) - https://melpa.org/#/external-dict: Query external dictionary like goldendict, Bob.app etc (MELPA) - https://melpa.org/#/pipewire: PipeWire user interface (MELPA) - https://melpa.org/#/robot-log: Major mode for viewing RobotFramework debug log files (MELPA) - https://melpa.org/#/sideline-blame: Show blame messages with sideline (MELPA) - https://melpa.org/#/sq: Bindings for Sequoia PGP's cli (MELPA) - https://melpa.org/#/tangonov-theme: A 256 color dark theme featuring bright pastels (MELPA) Links from [[https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs][reddit.com/r/emacs]], [[https://www.reddit.com/r/orgmode][r/orgmode]], [[https://www.reddit.com/r/spacemacs][r/spacemacs]], [[https://www.reddit.com/r/planetemacs][r/planetemacs]], [[https://hn.algolia.com/?query=emacs&sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=all&type=story][Hacker News]], [[https://lobste.rs/search?q=emacs&what=stories&order=newest][lobste.rs]], [[https://planet.emacslife.com][planet.emacslife.com]], [[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4th0AZixyREOtvxDpdxC9oMuX7Ar7Sdt][YouTube]], [[http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/log/etc/NEWS][the Emacs NEWS file]], [[https://emacslife.com/calendar/][Emacs Calendar]], [[http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2022-07][emacs-devel]], and [[https://lemmy.ml/c/emacs][lemmy/c/emac s]]. 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