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[96.232.253.158]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a8-20020a05622a064800b002dd4f1eccc3sm9441416qtb.35.2022.03.01.08.22.19 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 01 Mar 2022 08:22:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Jean Louis's message of "Tue, 1 Mar 2022 12:24:35 +0300") X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 2607:f8b0:4864:20::f32 (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::f32; envelope-from=dick.r.chiang@gmail.com; helo=mail-qv1-xf32.google.com X-Spam_score_int: 4 X-Spam_score: 0.4 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MISSING_HEADERS=1.021, PDS_HP_HELO_NORDNS=0.659, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 01 Mar 2022 12:15:12 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:818 Archived-At: "I" == inasprecali@disroot.org writes: I> You grossly misunderstand what this "war" you speak of was about all I> along. The goal is not merely becoming the "default configuration", I> whatever you mean by that, the goal is ending the existence of I> proprietary software. There is still a long way to go. I agree. The first thing we ought to do is discontinue GNU Emacs support for MacOS and Windows. More justice, less work. A win-win you might say.