From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Max Brieiev Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: why conflict [Was: Re: no to war in Ukraine] Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2022 17:19:07 +0200 Message-ID: <87k0ddwvis.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87ee3p4xn4.fsf@zoho.eu> <87czj7gpyp.fsf@gmail.com> <5132354.M1jKaovQIP@galex-713.eu> <87o82qvzaf.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28915"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-tangents@gnu.org, Alexandre Garreau To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 01 18:15:38 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nP666-0007Qa-KZ for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2022 18:15:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35996 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nP664-0004Gc-Vt for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2022 12:15:37 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35118) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nP4HQ-0008ED-Qn for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2022 10:19:12 -0500 Original-Received: from [2a00:1450:4864:20::636] (port=46999 helo=mail-ej1-x636.google.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nP4HP-0005YZ-EE for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2022 10:19:12 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ej1-x636.google.com with SMTP id qx21so32111397ejb.13 for ; Tue, 01 Mar 2022 07:19:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=8yAj+chzMQhQwSlVpGfUZKdEv8PSOnp/vcUBstZWZUk=; b=PyWHaWyohC2rS92G/ZKZlzg+8+/7w/5bi/lzoCJ03DmsG+0JLjQW1VgU+I1PAda9Et Su4AsCR36HrKNCi/KMQEvfB9AaBTbypiUzacDztnnPCHkjSyBEnQ6P/yCT46uH9OIzXM a4eXWtOfkLGwFK2ro91VKq2r5H2ry6+6u52QUg+BHZv56p9ib2dO985QW2BHRpbdSwTR G0r6OyRUPNhVdton0LpXe3f4uaLGZ/AoRRrJ14yLJGGsN8xm7DmiKp8fdBcaG0WambJt cP0YgvXG88UeYp0jmtASERgGPZTUzq1xe2s4gA60F4aYXkNfjqLGdIw9cT8rq86AzvyD gGVA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=8yAj+chzMQhQwSlVpGfUZKdEv8PSOnp/vcUBstZWZUk=; b=gcWMTtWaxOWgjwFQq2lbnkgF0IcKuooO6VRScTFdgFBaUzoUceFg/gV8jPNe2PUcm2 5FSxwLpe/gn45tuzaBYhnp+scwE7mpMhXisn9nNAkKgWzjhTM+OJ+/JJhjTncBxaONRB OIS6feVwYy3x2vZ+d1JPWc666LTVKMmb7DVNRhRZg3qQsQeuK7Q+kP+YRL6eCD3EQCtH t/zFFE7y78B1raz2s+xv+oYsKSS/5cffqD+JmFRAN8+h8e8XAcSwIPAnrhwb0Ffk0yKf /c/ekA7Gf4noru2REdCWK1ykERKA1OdGo8Nha5cf9II6uRZ8OtuI3CmsHeW3XmAwDk23 omog== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530JfSkzhV2zLVwP398OUkapIoisrFkQr+fAGfDwjaAlwbmHin5C lsuJT7nbsLlhoiF57FmOOyI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxXnv8Mbn6ETDz0/XY50rr1tHEZgAamwOtmnsopEXiVdnWcXLt57yKne/RBgIvimiWr7WQB9g== X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:d8dc:b0:6cf:d1d1:db25 with SMTP id re28-20020a170906d8dc00b006cfd1d1db25mr19194697ejb.285.1646147949216; Tue, 01 Mar 2022 07:19:09 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from thinkmax ([91.245.108.147]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u3-20020a17090657c300b006d01de78926sm5441165ejr.22.2022.03.01.07.19.08 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 01 Mar 2022 07:19:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Jean Louis's message of "Tue, 1 Mar 2022 12:52:36 +0300") X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 2a00:1450:4864:20::636 (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::636; envelope-from=max.brieiev@gmail.com; helo=mail-ej1-x636.google.com X-Spam_score_int: 27 X-Spam_score: 2.7 X-Spam_bar: ++ X-Spam_report: (2.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, PDS_HP_HELO_NORDNS=0.659, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS=3.335, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 01 Mar 2022 12:15:10 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:816 Archived-At: Jean, this will be my last message to you. Does Ukraine have human rights problems? Yes, it does. Is it worse than in other countries? No, it isn't. Human right organizations have free access to anywhere in Ukraine. So watch their activity. In fact, any non-profit organizations from EU are given massive support from government on all levels. Literally, any EU initiative here is welcomed with open arms. Now tell me about human right organizations in Russia. Everyone is labeled "foreign agent" there. How much freedom do they have there? Nonetheless, Putin is going to "liberate" Ukraine, where the situation is much better than in Russia. Would you say something about Wagner group? They are fighting on the side of so called DPR/LPR. Don't you find this ironic, that real fascists are claiming to liberate Donbass region from imaginary nazis? Just study about their leaders! It's on wikipedia. We share with Russia a big part of culture and history. We don't want this war. This war is made up exclusively by Putin for the contrived reasons. As you may have noticed, Russian troops are not welcomed anywhere. Not in a single vilage, not even in the most eastern parts of Ukraine. Nobody gives a shit here about azov batallion, which by the way has been staying in Mariupol for many years now. How many reports do you have about human rights violations in Mariupol? So I will repeat, you are spreading misinformation and propaganda. You are blaming the West, but the one, who is responsible for the whole thing is Putin.