From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: no to war in Ukraine Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2022 02:03:17 +0100 Message-ID: <87k0d7j3je.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <87ee3p4xn4.fsf@zoho.eu> <87tucl18rp.fsf@zoho.eu> <3cf3a903-10fb-76e4-24f8-d2e48d045f5c@rixotstudio.cz> <87ee3p17tx.fsf@zoho.eu> <87zgmauhq3.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87wnhdtvwj.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87sfs1cfsh.fsf@zoho.eu> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16414"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-tangents@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:f+48OKNK+qIXzpvOb4rE8+vxOxQ= Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 06 02:03:54 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nQfJS-00043d-7z for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 06 Mar 2022 02:03:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41322 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nQfJQ-0006Ka-OF for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 05 Mar 2022 20:03:52 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:48518) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nQfJ3-0006Js-Qg for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Mar 2022 20:03:29 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:49256) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nQfJ2-0003bq-1Z for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Mar 2022 20:03:29 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nQfIy-0003Sf-4C for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Mar 2022 02:03:24 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-tangents@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:823 Archived-At: Again the same stuff on Sky News [1] which I don't like: (1) the war isn't going Russia's way, and not going to plan (why not and how can they know?), and (2) Putin is mad - maybe so, but this in particular isn't madness but aggressive nationalism. The Russian strategy seems to have been pretty basic all along: first take out intelligence, leadership, the air force etc with missiles; then invade from the North (Belarus), the East (Donbas) and the South (Crimea); with the goal of encircling the Ukrainian forces that are locked-in in the East (they were already there before the war, fighting the separatists), the encirclement is done by cutting the country in half from Odessa to Kiev. The Russian troops seem to move pretty much at will in the countryside, then they lay siege to the cities which they hit with all bombardment they can muster, this is the so called "shelling" one keep hearing about (artillery mostly), the purpose is to make people suffer more so they'll surrender more quickly. Because man-made obstacles have been placed on so many streets the Russians would have to move at snail's pace if they ever entered the cities to bring the fight there, then their vehicles would also be easy targets to Molotov Cocktails, maybe IEDs and even kamikaze drones ... So instead they rely on the shelling! It is almost like a strategy from the ancient world, very thoroughly implemented, as cruel as efficient [1] https://dataswamp.org/~incal/conf/.zsh/news https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Auq9mYxFEE -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal