From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: no to war in Ukraine Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2022 16:59:33 +0000 Message-ID: <87bkyrkjuy.fsf@posteo.net> References: <87ee3p4xn4.fsf@zoho.eu> <87czj7gpyp.fsf@gmail.com> <6835146.iCjXABvquL@galex-713.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="40502"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Max Brieiev , emacs-tangents@gnu.org, Jean Louis To: Alexandre Garreau Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 28 18:00:04 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nOjNU-000ALp-0P for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 28 Feb 2022 18:00:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:32926 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nOjNS-0007Jq-Pl for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 28 Feb 2022 12:00:02 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58866) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nOjN6-0007Jh-DW for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Feb 2022 11:59:40 -0500 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:40423) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nOjN4-0003M7-As for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Feb 2022 11:59:40 -0500 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42AE5240029 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2022 17:59:35 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1646067575; bh=Z7evlDhsBKyr/4u+rjxNAj9MgXWbXu1sgHCcB59c17Q=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=IkbqSUt42CRO8xi2BU0avXgZTGkdmebTnUA/vgh9c4R+PbAXxWOQO+tVFrgKJAB+y cNFZuAwAnQYNzXYFBgZhdrEvC454rm8ONgrV1mJ9Ev/ThGIZq6yHriuPKZGaXPXxHK oweL4JyRfknaQIiZnM8Gg7x3bTe5UHtbdbbHXYxEFEKFMmMjbxuDo55+q7Ez4CDjfk VdQ54KNaYgZuc4bSuxmxJnhOJxSBydMEN/hfbNrAmAsJoaegC8OlFVpICHAYPAMhsz oK5cSiUuKxNlsI/OJqrRAh8QSrD64yZcMiWMdoX/dY2AMlLaozOkpNOJGjGBqSd2xu jJp6qkm+TZ3yQ== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4K6mnf1RlQz6tmF; Mon, 28 Feb 2022 17:59:34 +0100 (CET) Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; prefer-encrypt=nopreference; keydata= mDMEYHHqUhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAp3GdmYJ6tm5McweY6dEvIYIiry+Oz9rU4MH6NHWK0Ee0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiQBBMWCAA4FiEEDM2H44ZoPt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwMFCwkIBwIGFQoJ CAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQtVrAHPRh1FyTkgEAjlbGPxFchvMbxzAES3r8QLuZgCxeAXunM9gh io0ePtUBALVhh9G6wIoZhl0gUCbQpoN/UJHI08Gm1qDob5zDxnIHuDgEYHHqUhIKKwYBBAGXVQEF AQEHQNcRB+MUimTMqoxxMMUERpOR+Q4b1KgncDZkhrO2ql1tAwEIB4h4BBgWCAAgFiEEDM2H44Zo Pt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwwACgkQtVrAHPRh1Fw1JwD/Qo7kvtib8jy7puyWrSv0MeTS g8qIxgoRWJE/KKdkCLEA/jb9b9/g8nnX+UcwHf/4VfKsjExlnND3FrBviXUW6NcB In-Reply-To: <6835146.iCjXABvquL@galex-713.eu> (Alexandre Garreau's message of "Mon, 28 Feb 2022 15:58:52 +0100") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:794 Archived-At: Alexandre Garreau writes: > Le lundo, 28-a de februaro 2022, 13-a horo kaj 31:21 CET Jean Louis a =C3= =A9crit : >> * Max Brieiev [2022-02-28 15:01]: >> > Jean Louis writes: >> > > I don't think so. Political situation in Ukraine is more complicated >> > > then what you state. It would be good if we could just accuse Putin >> > > to >> > > be the cause. But it is not cause. >> >=20 >> > I am a Ukrainian, speaking Russian, living in Kyiv. What you say is a >> > complete propaganda. You know, 60% of population in Kyiv speaks >> > Russian. And yet, we hate those "leberators" that are coming into our >> > land. >>=20 >> That I said "I don't think so" is propaganda? > > Yes. When something is obvious, and you bring misplaced skepticism witho= ut any=20 > contradiction of the facts in front of you, nor sufficient justification = for your position. it is. It seems to me that people who are not familiar with the situation and cannot experience the events directly (because of linguistic, geographical and technical reasons, say how media is automatically curated on a lot of modern platforms) have a reasonable excuse to remain sceptical by default. I'd consider it harmful, if this were to be conflated with bad intentions. --=20 Philip Kaludercic