From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: Help building Pen.el (GPT for emacs) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 14:16:55 +0000 Message-ID: <875ywz23vs.fsf@posteo.net> References: <83im1948mj.fsf@gnu.org> <83lf642jeh.fsf@gnu.org> <83r1fp1es9.fsf@gnu.org> <837dhg1a1l.fsf@gnu.org> <87czr89n1a.fsf@posteo.net> <83y29wywfg.fsf@gnu.org> <87a6mc12it.fsf@posteo.net> <83mtqcyn6h.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="17009"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: stefan@marxist.se, emacs-tangents@gnu.org, mullikine@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, bugs@gnu.support To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 24 16:38:25 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m7InJ-0004Cg-Er for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 24 Jul 2021 16:38:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56024 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m7InI-0005ru-FX for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 24 Jul 2021 10:38:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40814) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m7ISc-0006gg-48 for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Jul 2021 10:17:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:32809) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m7ISY-0005xd-UP for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Jul 2021 10:17:01 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9417F240027 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2021 16:16:56 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1627136216; bh=Px2jBph+Fhna7t4y8ucQfK3cjR6tHi+ZrVEiYF8TwAE=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=du4aAIFOQ/5PZ/z9wc4oHHpln/M92OVBHU6bwZ4FhJx9WiNmdasQR3Ki27d8vTYS5 3MBSD/bwmjh+3cMSx9jqRjypoeH/rt4C4p0RlKTtRlmpQhQug9sCKz83jeJgIB3sqr 6xgLsX47dt+ZRMsFbT2sazXCZCi7tCLCVw+XWApOzxgcovlaIhc8ysEyJjTmOPZhWF Xhwf8PyQnbX53D/d7qBNy6T2JZaoajJn2gTPwde8KpVZVU+UkZ6kqmlv75cHGlRUws sFmH8DvFFVAoQe1UGaJnI6kVLAkS5/mLkB3sc4hVCA6+9EnYapFlzhrcgok/gdlfzM YXYCOi4huInvw== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4GX7Y36Xdsz6tmH; Sat, 24 Jul 2021 16:16:55 +0200 (CEST) Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mDMEYHHqUhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAp3GdmYJ6tm5McweY6dEvIYIiry+Oz9rU4MH6NHWK0Ee0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiQBBMWCAA4FiEEDM2H44ZoPt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwMFCwkIBwIGFQoJ CAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQtVrAHPRh1FyTkgEAjlbGPxFchvMbxzAES3r8QLuZgCxeAXunM9gh io0ePtUBALVhh9G6wIoZhl0gUCbQpoN/UJHI08Gm1qDob5zDxnIHuDgEYHHqUhIKKwYBBAGXVQEF AQEHQNcRB+MUimTMqoxxMMUERpOR+Q4b1KgncDZkhrO2ql1tAwEIB4h4BBgWCAAgFiEEDM2H44Zo Pt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwwACgkQtVrAHPRh1Fw1JwD/Qo7kvtib8jy7puyWrSv0MeTS g8qIxgoRWJE/KKdkCLEA/jb9b9/g8nnX+UcwHf/4VfKsjExlnND3FrBviXUW6NcB In-Reply-To: <83mtqcyn6h.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 24 Jul 2021 14:19:02 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 10:38:09 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:690 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> > A sort function must state at least the data type before it can be >> > compiled. And if you are talking about pseudo-code that is data-type >> > agnostic, then that's an algorithm, and is not copyrightable, AFAIK. >> >> No, I was thinking about concrete code, that depending on the language >> might even just rely on the standard library, especially if the language >> has generics. Seeing how often SO code has been found in random >> repositories[0], I don't think it is improbable that the trained models >> might notice these patterns. > > Sorry, I don't understand what you have in mind. Can you show an > example of useful code that could be copied verbatim into a program > without at least some renaming, without breaking the program? To take the example from the article I mentioned above public static String humanReadableByteCount(long bytes, boolean si) { int unit = si ? 1000 : 1024; if (bytes < unit) return bytes + " B"; int exp = (int) (Math.log(bytes) / Math.log(unit)); String pre = (si ? "kMGTPE" : "KMGTPE").charAt(exp-1) + (si ? "" : "i"); return String.format("%.1f %sB", bytes / Math.pow(unit, exp), pre); } can be copied into a Java program, and assuming that there is no other method called humanReadableByteCount in the same class, it should compile and run without renaming or re-typing. CoPilot might generate this from a comment like, // Convert a byte count to a human-readable string since it is mentioned over 6000 times on GitHub (and this method even has a bug, as the article explains -- but that is a totally different issue). -- Philip Kaludercic