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From: Rolf Ade <rolf@pointsman.de>
To: emacs-tangents@gnu.org
Subject: Re: 2016-05-23 Emacs News
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 15:37:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8737oldv21.fsf@linux-qg7d.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87twh1gwu8.fsf@members.fsf.org


Nicolas Richard <youngfrog@members.fsf.org> writes:
> Rolf Ade <rolf@pointsman.de> writes:
>> (That is:
>> http://mbork.pl/2016-05-23_Literal_values_and_destructive_functions)
>> 
>> Wait, what?
>> [...]
>> in *Messages*. Could someone please explain that to me?
>
> The article you're referring to explains just that. Is it somehow
> unclear ? Quoting the article:
>
> | What’s going on?
> | 
> | Well, the literal in the function definition was actually changed. (If
> | you evaluate the defun form now, it will be redefined once again to
> | the “correct” value.) If you don’t believe it, try this: M-:
> | (symbol-function #'destructive-havoc), or even better, M-x
> | pp-eval-expression RET (symbol-function #'destructive-havoc) RET and
> | see for yourself.

Well ..., sorry, yes, that explanation isn't clear to me. While I'm
far away to claim I'm a versed emacs lisp programmer, I've written a few
screen full of emacs lisp code. Now this thing left me back with the
feeling, that I've missed to understand something at the core of the
language (with the additional unpleasant feeling, that my emacs lisp
programming is even more cargo cult coding, than I already suspected).

The "explanation", that the literal in the function definition was
changed by the (sort) call doesn't help me on track. While I'm fluent
with other programming languages, that are able to rewrite function
definitions during run-time I don't know a programming language that do
this as a 'side effect' of a function call (other than you craft one,
that deliberate does so).

Is what the article demonstrates something special to the 'build-in'
function sort or to emacs lisp? It would help me, if someone explains
what happen in this example in other words (not in implementation detail
but language concepts).




  reply	other threads:[~2016-06-10 13:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-23 16:44 2016-05-23 Emacs News Sacha Chua
2016-06-10  0:04 ` Rolf Ade
2016-06-10 10:30   ` Nicolas Richard
2016-06-10 13:37     ` Rolf Ade [this message]
2016-06-10 13:52       ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-06-10 15:22         ` Rolf Ade
2016-06-10 16:45           ` John Mastro
2016-06-10 14:55       ` Nicolas Richard
2016-06-10 16:01         ` Rolf Ade

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