From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: A Zine/Newsletter for ELPA Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 10:15:39 +0000 Message-ID: <871qr85b1w.fsf@posteo.net> References: <87mt9y6rdt.fsf@posteo.net> <87tu45zho4.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87zgdx5sqk.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28485"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: John Yates , emacs-tangents@gnu.org To: Sacha Chua Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 16 12:16:16 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ok0go-0007Aj-FP for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 12:16:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37102 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ok0gn-0002de-0C for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 06:16:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54706) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ok0gM-0002dI-OO for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 06:15:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:41565) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ok0gK-0004Vp-C5 for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 06:15:46 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25A3224002B for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 12:15:40 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1665915341; bh=J6FUTEqK4TzAw0ERshXFiIPacHhRGm1vyLqTIARW+YU=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=qdsmhpkmaMrAKyymandWRfjg4GK9kAOjt6q4j+7fxEWWdxMNnp3Ec7DzIsFXA2QIL 2sLgdxvRcX2kNfY06KlY3HHVZr86YOdYjIrgY27qWkg/rCJENMY3bL10g5dFtqgmKu n+1CSPG/TXMbwR2OBcKRw0GlGwOFxgpNXsxZ2Vyejo0GmudQNbF7MTZOb/UYnZ86IO CHg8vIzGFbFRkN+L70GBEckpcqCH7R732W46CdnRMb0zuNbS/uv+S6b3UNFcVE+MnA FRfJMMULoD4BzeDMuxmVwlxsp9XdZHdIUlaNTpKbWt118dj43XOJ0R5b+NNuYkXkhO hDV+OD/hJ2SRQ== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4MqwxS1gzKz9rxQ; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 12:15:40 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Sacha Chua's message of "Sat, 15 Oct 2022 12:00:14 -0400") Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; prefer-encrypt=nopreference; keydata= mDMEYHHqUhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAp3GdmYJ6tm5McweY6dEvIYIiry+Oz9rU4MH6NHWK0Ee0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiQBBMWCAA4FiEEDM2H44ZoPt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwMFCwkIBwIGFQoJ CAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQtVrAHPRh1FyTkgEAjlbGPxFchvMbxzAES3r8QLuZgCxeAXunM9gh io0ePtUBALVhh9G6wIoZhl0gUCbQpoN/UJHI08Gm1qDob5zDxnIHuDgEYHHqUhIKKwYBBAGXVQEF AQEHQNcRB+MUimTMqoxxMMUERpOR+Q4b1KgncDZkhrO2ql1tAwEIB4h4BBgWCAAgFiEEDM2H44Zo Pt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwwACgkQtVrAHPRh1Fw1JwD/Qo7kvtib8jy7puyWrSv0MeTS g8qIxgoRWJE/KKdkCLEA/jb9b9/g8nnX+UcwHf/4VfKsjExlnND3FrBviXUW6NcB Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:936 Archived-At: Sacha Chua writes: >> but also commented on and "reviewed". This seems to suggest a review >> site. (A quick web search suggests that there are frameworks out >> there to facilitate creating such sites.) That said, posting >> opinions seems of low value and rarely actionable (see below). > > Prot does a great job of writing blog posts and often making videos about > his new packages, which are usually posted to GNU ELPA. I link to these in > Emacs News, and they'll probably come up in searches as well. I notice that > interesting new packages tend to get picked up in blog posts and Reddit > threads in the weeks after the packages are published. I currently don't > have the time to summarize posts beyond quick links, but perhaps someone > would like to do a monthly round up like the way This Month in Org does? This is totally understandable, but yes something like "This Month in Org" would be good reference. >> Perhaps also a place where people can post ideas for packages >> This is a conversation. Would not a mailing list suffice. What is >> wrong with help-gnu-emacs? Nothing is wrong with it, it is just that there are plenty of people who don't know or don't follow it in detail. > I sometimes see conversations like that grow out of mailing lists or > web-based forums like Reddit. Ideas are pretty easy to float, though, and > it's hard to match them up with a person with the same itch. It seems to > work out better when people share what they've figured out so far, then > other people say they want something like that too, and then the code gets > turned into a package. >> or where abandoned packages can find new maintainers. >> How would this relate to https://github.com/emacsattic? That is for packages that have lost a maintainer, right? So the package must have gone on without any maintenance for long enough for someone reviewing patches and fixing issues like new warnings or the usage of deprecated functions. I was thinking about a place where a maintainer could announce that they don't have the interest or the time to attend to a package, so that a replacement could been found sooner. > When there's an announcement, I usually put it in a Help Wanted section at > the start of Emacs News. I did not know that you do that, in that case this specific idea is superfluous. >> I am very impressed with Eli's leadership of emacs development. > > Eli is awesome! 1+ >> More immediately, look at his effort to drive toward better >> abstraction and unification of the existing find-file and >> find-sibling-file with Damien Cassou's pending related-files. This is >> exactly the sort of effort I would hope to support. I see such >> activities as curation. Thus I could imagine an emacs-curate mailing >> list. I would be happy to subscribe. > > Andres Ramirez has been sending me links to interesting emacs-devel > messages for possible inclusion in Emacs News. I'd love to get other > people's links and notes as well. I read emacs-devel on a very cursory > level (mostly looking at subjects and what Eli replies :) ), so extra > context would be great! I didn't know this either, I will keep this in mind. If there are interesting bug reports, would you be interested in my notifying you?