From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: Help building Pen.el (GPT for emacs) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 11:10:38 +0300 Message-ID: <83wnpgyvwh.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83lf642jeh.fsf@gnu.org> <83r1fp1es9.fsf@gnu.org> <837dhg1a1l.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37844"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: mullikine@gmail.com, emacs-tangents@gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se, rms@gnu.org To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 24 10:11:26 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m7Cko-0009hY-N9 for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 24 Jul 2021 10:11:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58006 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m7Ckm-0004Jf-Kk for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 24 Jul 2021 04:11:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56732) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m7CkS-0004JW-91 for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Jul 2021 04:11:04 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:33788) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m7CkR-0008CI-L8; Sat, 24 Jul 2021 04:11:03 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:1348 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m7CkH-00028G-Su; Sat, 24 Jul 2021 04:10:54 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Jean Louis on Sat, 24 Jul 2021 10:33:57 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:682 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 10:33:57 +0300 > From: Jean Louis > Cc: rms@gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se, mullikine@gmail.com, > emacs-tangents@gnu.org > > > Eli, I do take care of licensing when re-using somebody's software, > and when publishing software or distributing it. > > There is nothing "radical" about it. Considering the license of the code is not radical, indeed. But the criteria you personally apply when considering that _are_ radical. You posted enough opinions about these matters to make that abundantly clear. There's nothing wrong with having such views, they are your personal views, and are entirely legitimate. All I'm saying is that the Emacs project should not be guided by such views, for the reasons I explained. > Concerns of other people are also not radical. No, but your interpretation of those "concerns" is. > Intention of authors is not respected even if there is legal > circumvention in the US such as "fair use", that does not fly in > other jurisdictions. So you agree that the problems you raised don't seem to exist at least in the US? > I do understand you have some unsolved issues or something you cannot > handle related to licensing No, I don't have any unsolved issues. > as you are more for technical side ??? What is that supposed to mean? > but please don't call it "radical" as that does not teach people > about GPL licensing. When I see a radical view, I call it "radical". Promoting Free Software requires healthy pragmatism, because we want the Free Software to flourish and remain relevant by picking up the advances in technology. Rejecting such new technologies just because there's some doubts expressed by someone in some blog is "radical", and IMO eventually detrimental to Free Software development. We should instead carefully and independently assess the issues and make our own judgment based on specific details of each such development. We cannot run away of every idea because some people say it might cause trouble in some cases.