From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: repology.el Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2021 08:58:22 +0200 Message-ID: <83turrkj8x.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83k0sp27f6.fsf@gnu.org> <83eeiwlsn6.fsf@gnu.org> <831rewldok.fsf@gnu.org> <83wnwojxe0.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="17093"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-tangents@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, ulm@gentoo.org, ams@gnu.org, arthur.miller@live.com, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 08 07:59:01 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kxljg-0004Il-OV for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 07:59:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38048 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxljf-0000cv-Mh for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 01:58:59 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49690) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxljG-0000ch-KC for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 01:58:34 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:49104) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxljD-0008V7-UZ; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 01:58:32 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:1417 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kxlj2-0005h9-UQ; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 01:58:21 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Jean Louis on Fri, 8 Jan 2021 00:00:36 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:507 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 00:00:36 +0300 > From: Jean Louis > Cc: arthur.miller@live.com, rms@gnu.org, ams@gnu.org, > dgutov@yandex.ru, ulm@gentoo.org, emacs-tangents@gnu.org > > > > I see that repology.org does not make any distinction and it cannot do > > > that easily technically. So it does not make neither free software nor > > > proprietary better or worse by any reasons. And that is the problem. > > > > How is it a problem? where's the promotion, please? > > A WWW index of hyperlinks is promotion of hyperlinks. Simple placement > of a hyperlink on anybody's website is promotion of the other > website. That doesn't match the meaning of the word, please re-read its definition. Reference and promotion are not the same thing. > Since 2021, GNU project did not provide references to proprietary > software. What GNU project does is not sacred. The policy is set by humans, and the reasoning for that policy is human reasoning. Thus, arguments about what we have been doing are not valid as reasons against changes in that policy, because new convincing reasoning, as well as specific new practical use cases brought to light, can legitimately change or augment existing policies. Failure to do so, or even to consider changes, would mean that GNU is a dogmatic movement, which it isn't, and never has been. > I would be surprised if GNU project begins doing that from 2021, as > if we continue disintegrating the basic principles of GNU project, > by 2031 we may expect something worse, maybe total disappearance of > GNU project in its sense of free software teaching center. Forgive me my language, but this is FUD. You have no real basis for spreading such fears. It isn't like what's proposed here is cancellation of the GNU Manifesto or anything basic like that.