From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: Help building Pen.el (GPT for emacs) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 11:59:11 +0300 Message-ID: <83sg04ytnk.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83r1fp1es9.fsf@gnu.org> <837dhg1a1l.fsf@gnu.org> <83wnpgyvwh.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34037"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: mullikine@gmail.com, emacs-tangents@gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se, rms@gnu.org To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 24 11:03:01 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m7DYj-0008cG-3U for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 24 Jul 2021 11:03:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57824 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m7DYi-0000tw-5q for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 24 Jul 2021 05:03:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60364) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m7DVN-00048f-L5 for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Jul 2021 04:59:33 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:35608) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m7DVN-0006bO-AC; Sat, 24 Jul 2021 04:59:33 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4338 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m7DVE-0005ka-AU; Sat, 24 Jul 2021 04:59:24 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Jean Louis on Sat, 24 Jul 2021 11:35:41 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:686 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 11:35:41 +0300 > From: Jean Louis > Cc: rms@gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se, mullikine@gmail.com, > emacs-tangents@gnu.org > > There are no doubts that code may be copied verbatin, as here is > authorized and official documentation by Github related to Copilot: > https://docs.github.com/en/github/copilot/research-recitation So we won't use that Github stuff. Which we won't anyway, because we avoid Github in general. How does this help us decide about general usability of this technology? It doesn't. > At this moment there is no verified legal statement by let us say FSF > attorneys or legal experts or some other organization that will > confirm legal status of such generated code or text on international > level. I suggest to leave the legal stuff to the legal experts. We should assess the data and provide them with facts, not make the decisions for them. Which means this discussion, and your suggestions that we should already stay away of this technology, are premature at best, if not in the wrong place at the wrong time. So please don't discourage independent assessment of this technology by posting half-baked "legal" opinions from people with questionable motivation (present company excluded, of course) representing that this technology is legally incompatible with Free Software. IMO, we don't yet know enough for any such definitive opinions and conclusions.