From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: repology.el Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2021 21:38:08 +0200 Message-ID: <83pn2fi5i7.fsf@gnu.org> References: <834kjslexq.fsf@gnu.org> <83pn2fkiv5.fsf@gnu.org> <26475995-EEB8-4B71-8B06-A7B7B4C8A737@gnu.support> <834kjrk3ox.fsf@gnu.org> <83y2h3ij23.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35103"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-tangents@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, ulm@gentoo.org, ams@gnu.org, arthur.miller@live.com, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 08 20:53:51 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kxxpX-00090k-2i for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 20:53:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44362 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxxpW-0003Iu-54 for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 14:53:50 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47034) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxxaV-0001mS-JK for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 14:38:21 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45171) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxxaR-00085E-26; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 14:38:17 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:1100 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kxxaH-00079s-7Y; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 14:38:05 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Jean Louis on Fri, 8 Jan 2021 21:27:42 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:533 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 21:27:42 +0300 > From: Jean Louis > Cc: emacs-tangents@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, ulm@gentoo.org, ams@gnu.org, > arthur.miller@live.com, dgutov@yandex.ru > > > We develop Emacs because we think it helps users. We don't develop it > > as some academic exercise to be shown in some ivory tower, nor as > > merely an example of what Free Software can become. > > > > I came to Emacs because it helped me do my everyday's work, and I've > > taken upon myself the burden of being its maintainer because I want it > > to help others, and become better at helping them. > > > > Thus, whether I personally can access that site is immaterial. I > > don't need your, or anybody's, permission to do whatever I want with > > my systems. It's the Emacs user community that I'm trying to help, > > and I believe I'm not the only one who needs to do those tasks that I > > described. Refusal to make this, or any other package that has the > > similar audacity of showing information about software in a completely > > neutral way, to be available from GNU ELPA diminishes from the > > community, and thus hurts me in my effort to help the community > > members to enjoy software freedom. That is why I'm speaking up. > > If I understand it better you wish to help general Emacs users without > regard if GNU as project would be giving all those references to > non-free software. I want help them because I don't see how these references cause any damage to the Free Software cause. Promoting non-free software and inviting users to use it is indeed against our cause, but just telling where it's stored isn't. Our users aren't babies from whom we should hide potentially dangerous stuff, they can make their own informed decisions. > you have known that GNU project is about free software. I don't think the GNU project is about concealing information. I hope it isn't.