From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: Help building Pen.el (GPT for emacs) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 21:15:46 +0300 Message-ID: <83k0lfy3vx.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83r1fp1es9.fsf@gnu.org> <837dhg1a1l.fsf@gnu.org> <83wnpgyvwh.fsf@gnu.org> <83sg04ytnk.fsf@gnu.org> <83v94zy832.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2953"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: mullikine@gmail.com, emacs-tangents@gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se, rms@gnu.org To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 24 20:16:31 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m7MCN-0000YD-HF for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 24 Jul 2021 20:16:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39100 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m7MCM-0006gC-JN for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 24 Jul 2021 14:16:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42276) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m7MC0-0006Ps-29 for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Jul 2021 14:16:08 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:47562) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m7MBz-0004mi-Ea; Sat, 24 Jul 2021 14:16:07 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3094 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m7MBt-0003Vm-49; Sat, 24 Jul 2021 14:16:01 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Jean Louis on Sat, 24 Jul 2021 20:57:42 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:699 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 20:57:42 +0300 > From: Jean Louis > Cc: rms@gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se, mullikine@gmail.com, > emacs-tangents@gnu.org > > * Eli Zaretskii [2021-07-24 19:46]: > > > > I have never stated it is incompatible with free software, I have > > > asked how is GPL licensing compliance solved. > > > > No, you said we shouldn't use this. > > Sorry for misunderstandings. To avoid such misunderstandings, I suggest to tone down your language when you are talking about licensing issues associated with some technologies or products, so that what you write couldn't be interpreted as saying that there are legal problems which prevent our use of those technologies and products. > Question was directed to author of Pen.el and there was no clear > answer neither from you, so I found myself from online research that > at least in US for now it is based on "fair use" doctrine. > > When we take the word "fair" in its original definition, it should be > obvious from online comments that many GPL authors do not really find > it "fair". It is however one defense that all of present similar AI > models have in common, they are to use "fair use" doctrine. We will > see that. That is a separate issue, which is IMO completely unrelated. Emacs is Free Software, and is distributed under GPL, so for Emacs it is OK to allow users to use other GPL code out there in their programs. That there are producers of proprietary software who use pieces of GPL code in their proprietary products without complying with GPL is completely unrelated to what the Emacs project can do with this technology.