Le mardo, 1-a de marto 2022, 16-a horo kaj 29:04 CET goncholden a écrit :

> NATO is likely not to fight Russia over Ukraine.  Yet the 30-member bloc

> is unwilling to acknowledge this truth.  By western naivity, I meant

> the general naivity of citizens about their governments.

we are not naive on this ground, most of us (with some exceptions especially among US citizens and swiss) know our government are not really democratic and we the people have no real power.

some power sometimes on some ground with a lot of efforts, work, and the chance to have policies slightly more (but decreasingly) liberal, that’s it