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From: Alexandre Garreau <galex-713@galex-713.eu>
To: goncholden <goncholden@protonmail.com>
Cc: Jacob Hrbek <kreyren@rixotstudio.cz>, emacs-tangents@gnu.org
Subject: Re: no to war in Ukraine
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2022 16:52:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5318097.kKuCzG4M7Y@galex-713.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <kW4bkuyHMKUIN1qW4z4vWh8ieAkysxjdii6-drbCMr8kxk89jjwSiFCc5zFkK8bRFpFzJTJ_KV2sGS5ON2Beq8QWX_iCx_cdoAWB_e43Uqw=@protonmail.com>

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Le mardo, 1-a de marto 2022, 16-a horo kaj 29:04 CET goncholden 
a écrit :
> NATO is likely not to fight Russia over Ukraine.  Yet the 30-
member bloc
> is unwilling to acknowledge this truth.  By western naivity, I 
meant
> the general naivity of citizens about their governments.

we are not naive on this ground, most of us (with some exceptions 
especially among US citizens and swiss) know our government are 
not really democratic and we the people have no real power.

some power sometimes on some ground with a lot of efforts, work, 
and the chance to have policies slightly more (but decreasingly) 
liberal, that’s it

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-03-01 15:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <87ee3p4xn4.fsf@zoho.eu>
     [not found] ` <trinity-91ab7da3-86cd-454a-9b41-e6b6d4bf5fbb-1645957364271@3c-app-mailcom-bs09>
     [not found]   ` <YhtX4C9E9JWWw3Ar@tuxteam.de>
2022-02-27 11:27     ` no to war in Ukraine Alexandre Garreau
     [not found] ` <7f8b6dc4-a621-2ab4-86ab-79325a1f2a0c@yandex.ru>
     [not found]   ` <95a64961-9a77-bd7a-a4c2-77ae3f9e5bb7@rixotstudio.cz>
2022-02-27 11:45     ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-27 12:02       ` Jacob Hrbek
2022-02-27 13:51       ` Jean Louis
2022-02-28 12:01         ` Max Brieiev
2022-02-28 12:31           ` Jean Louis
2022-02-28 14:58             ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-28 16:59               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-02-28 15:22             ` why conflict [Was: Re: no to war in Ukraine] Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-28 16:27               ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-01 14:28                 ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-01 22:44                   ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-02  1:08                   ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-01  6:01               ` Jean Louis
2022-03-01  8:43                 ` Max Brieiev
2022-03-01  9:52                   ` Jean Louis
2022-03-01 15:19                     ` Max Brieiev
     [not found]                 ` <12751820.zrU1mtMFnZ@galex-713.eu>
2022-03-01  9:24                   ` Jean Louis
2022-03-01 16:22                     ` War is bad " dick
2022-03-01 17:05                 ` why conflict " Alfred M. Szmidt
2022-02-28 14:42         ` no to war in Ukraine Alexandre Garreau
2022-03-01  7:27           ` Jean Louis
2022-03-01 14:34             ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-28 12:12     ` Yuri Khan
2022-02-28 12:17       ` Jacob Hrbek
2022-02-28 13:08         ` Jean Louis
2022-02-28 12:43       ` Jean Louis
     [not found]   ` <YhyTqSvVkyfQCDtX@protected.localdomain>
     [not found]     ` <87ilszw2go.fsf@zoho.eu>
2022-02-28 14:26       ` Jean Louis
2022-02-28 14:47         ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-01  9:16           ` Jean Louis
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     [not found]   ` <87fso47mzt.fsf@yahoo.com>
     [not found]     ` <5568043.OSE0SheIR2@galex-713.eu>
2022-02-28  9:26       ` Jean Louis
     [not found] ` <87tucl18rp.fsf@zoho.eu>
     [not found]   ` <3cf3a903-10fb-76e4-24f8-d2e48d045f5c@rixotstudio.cz>
     [not found]     ` <YhyTBXF/DpCMCn7t@protected.localdomain>
     [not found]       ` <bb25e38f-6ecc-ac8d-0d35-140c07261369@rixotstudio.cz>
2022-02-28 12:15         ` Po Lu
2022-02-28 13:34           ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-02-28 15:29             ` Max Brieiev
2022-02-28 18:05               ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-01  9:34                 ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
     [not found]         ` <44446637.PyEFFFD7HL@galex-713.eu>
     [not found]           ` <E1nOu3v-0003Ks-Le@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]             ` <87r17myqla.fsf@zoho.eu>
2022-03-01 10:06               ` Po Lu
2022-03-01 14:05                 ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
     [not found]     ` <87ee3p17tx.fsf@zoho.eu>
     [not found]       ` <87zgmauhq3.fsf@mat.ucm.es>
2022-03-01 12:59         ` Jean Louis
2022-03-01 17:39           ` Uwe Brauer
2022-03-02  1:19             ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-06  1:03               ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
     [not found]             ` <Yh+0Yr6xR78m2oCI@protected.localdomain>
     [not found]               ` <87bkykh9gp.fsf@mat.ucm.es>
2022-03-06  9:49                 ` Jean Louis
2022-03-06 14:09                   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                     ` <87cziz80qo.fsf@mat.ucm.es>
2022-03-07 15:35                       ` Jean Louis
2022-03-08 18:12                         ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-08 20:11                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-03-08 20:21                             ` Tom Davey
     [not found]         ` <EAjmMNeUzREHnpDz8VZpnOxTwMc2X9YKqrOOQB3Oph0rTO0nFy_Il2V2tTz9NtmN9WV3TGHq90WTDoLt3a_pmvOUv7QFjSgYR4QK6ClGNe0=@protonmail.com>
     [not found]           ` <875yoyymr8.fsf@zoho.eu>
2022-03-01 13:02             ` Jean Louis
2022-03-01 14:08               ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
     [not found]         ` <87a6eaymxw.fsf@zoho.eu>
2022-03-01 13:05           ` Jean Louis
2022-03-01 14:10             ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-01 17:09             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
     [not found] ` <5fa3d9eb-0912-2243-829c-53595c73b517@rixotstudio.cz>
     [not found]   ` <kW4bkuyHMKUIN1qW4z4vWh8ieAkysxjdii6-drbCMr8kxk89jjwSiFCc5zFkK8bRFpFzJTJ_KV2sGS5ON2Beq8QWX_iCx_cdoAWB_e43Uqw=@protonmail.com>
2022-03-01 15:52     ` Alexandre Garreau [this message]
2022-03-01 16:11       ` goncholden

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