Re: no to war in Ukraine

[Alexandre Garreau <galex-713@galex-713.eu>]

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I’m redirecting this part of thread to tangent because this doesn’t have anything to do with 
emacs but with psychological solidarity (we all need to help each other the most possible 
during these times) with our community (and although it indeed is help to gnu emacs 
users’ it’s so… tangentially!)

Le dimanĉo, 27-a de februaro 2022, 12-a horo kaj 18:28 CET Jacob Hrbek a écrit :
>  > There is a lot of Free Software written by Russians that you are are
>  > 
> 
> almost certainly using. Maybe not entirely but at least in part.  --
> Gutov
 
> I am slav with lot of russians and ukrainians friends you can't even 
> imagine how much this hurts me to do this as someone who loves and uses
> 
> Free Software in everything and who hates restrictions on privacy and
> freedom and who is endlessly appreciate of all the work that russian
> citizens did for Free Software and for me like all the helping that i
> got with issues including kindness of submitting a patches for a
> problems that i had, because I feel fucking sick and guilty, my mental
> health is in absolute shit and i didn't sleep for more then 3 hours a
> day since the war started blaming myself for all the work that i've
> done on Free Software and in Free Software Activism in the last ~14
> years, because my work in Free Software contributed to the capability
> of russian military to do this war to bomb cities full of my brothers
> and sisters, killing newborns, children, elderly and committing war
> crimes against unarmed citizens scared for their life who are hiding at
> their homes.

That’s true not only for you but for any technical, scientifical, economical, etc. progress, 
unfortunately.  We can’t control everything… 

And I believe (if that can help) in the end the main and maybe almost only responsible is 
Putin, everyone else was lied to or threatened.

>  > And not all of us support this terrible, unjust war. There are 
> 
> anti-war protests all around the world, including Moscow and 
> Saint-Petersburg. -- Gutov
> 
> Russian citizens have a major role in this war i know the cost of 
> opposing putin in russia some of my family even experienced it first 
> hand in what happened before the Velvet Revolution in Czechia, but it's
> no where near the cost that ukrainians are paying right now.

That’s likely right, but asking people sacrificing to people far away is difficult, especially 
when a such war would have been difficult to predict in advance, and totally 
ununderstandable once it happened… it’s totally useless shit… Putin has just got mad.

Also I believe to suffer standing for freedom is somewhat easier psychologically than sitting 
in despair giving up… Ukrainians are showing great pride and attachment to their freedom, 
although in front of nato lack of help it would have been more logical to surrender in front 
of a higher power…

And during that time russians soldiers entering ukraine are discovering they were lied to 
and that ukrainians are freeer than them.  Some ukrainians already surrended (which, in 
front of bigger country, with no help, i can understand), but we still have to wait for the 
inevitable time a great part of russian army will surrender too.  It’s been almost all days 
since first day that almost no progress have been made by them, although russia is so 
much more enormous and rich than ukraine, and has so many military capabilities.  This is 
rejoying.

i don’t understand why nato doesn’t take the risk being bombed to help ukrainians.  
Ukrainians are not bombed right now, and I don’t believe the risk to be unjustly and 
exageratedly bombed is worth the cost of not being able to stand for freedom.  It would be 
also interesting to learn how ineffective, unreliable, old, etc. has the russian nuclear 
bombing program got.  If wide enough, it must implies many operators, and many of them 
must be able to circumvent censorship to discover they must disobey and save us too.

> Please go join them and please convince others to do the same. The whole
> world supports ukrainians and the whole world will support russians
> overthrowing that war criminal in moscow, but there has to be more
> people doing the protests and calling on the russian forces to oppose
> their leader to do it.

I’m part of those increasing number of ppl believing protests are getting more and more 
useless as people forgot what to do next, and leaders acknowledged that…

What should be needed would be to send material help there, money, maybe even to rob 
the states and rich in each country for that, and for russians to block anything materially 
providing for russian army or state controlled medias…

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