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From: Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: chad <yandros@gmail.com>, emacs-tangents@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Display of undisplayable characters: \U01F3A8 instead of diamond
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2022 00:33:17 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2b564d99d3a09e73c98e@heytings.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YxJ7LFCY26bJ4zWI@ACM>

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>
> I don't see any failure.  Richard's complaint was that characters 
> without glyphs were getting displayed as long hex strings rather than 
> the "diamond" that they were previously displayed as.  I think the 
> complaint has merit.  It seems to me to be a classic case for a user 
> option.
>

You forget to mention that the context in which this bug was fixed in 
January is that RMS complained that ligatures such as "fi" showed up as a 
diamond (see [1]).  At that time what he wanted is that Emacs would 
automatically replace such ligatures by two letters in his Linux console, 
and that's what he got: Eli improved the latin1-display-ucs-per-lynx 
function in fd42ba3adb.  At that time diamonds were considered 
"unhelpful", and he said for example: "I doubt any user wants to see a 
diamond instead of `fi'."

During that discussion, the bug that is now objected against was also 
fixed, by 10c680551e.

I, too, doubt any user wants to see a diamond instead of an actual 
character!  Why are these diamonds suddenly useful again?  How comes that 
a proposed solution with which ligatures such as "fi" are actually 
displayed as "fi", with which UTF-8 is actually supported instead of 
having to resort to ugly hacks such as latin1-display-ucs-per-lynx, and 
with which missing glyphs are in fact again displayed with these same 
diamonds, is criticized?

[1] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2022-01/msg01176.html

  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-03  0:33 UTC|newest]

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2022-09-02 14:39                       ` Display of undisplayable characters: \U01F3A8 instead of diamond chad
2022-09-02 14:42                         ` Gregory Heytings
2022-09-02 18:49                         ` Emanuel Berg
2022-09-02 19:41                           ` Gregory Heytings
2022-09-02 21:13                             ` Emanuel Berg
2022-09-02 20:39                           ` chad
2022-09-02 21:14                             ` Emanuel Berg
2022-09-02 21:52                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-09-03  0:33                               ` Gregory Heytings [this message]
2022-09-03  1:41                                 ` Emanuel Berg

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