From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dan Nicolaescu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bug statistics Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 17:01:07 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1focf1eb1p.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <874ogsthn2.fsf@red-bean.com> <83fx0be7ad.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1277499689 19648 80.91.229.12 (25 Jun 2010 21:01:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 21:01:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: kfogel@red-bean.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 25 23:01:25 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OSG1c-0004A4-7e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 23:01:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59619 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OSG1a-0006BW-TH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 17:01:23 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47749 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OSG1N-0006AW-CP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 17:01:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OSG1L-000813-V2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 17:01:09 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:56007) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OSG1L-00080z-ON for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 17:01:07 -0400 Original-Received: from dann by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OSG1L-0000TG-6l; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 17:01:07 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83fx0be7ad.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri\, 25 Jun 2010 13\:27\:38 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:126400 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Dan Nicolaescu >> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 21:28:19 -0400 >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> IMO the main problem is man power. > > 100% agreement. > > Someone(TM) should check whether the switch to Bazaar made the number > and rate of contributions from non-core developers higher. Not sure how easy is it to measure that, we've also had a feature freeze in place for a while which skews results. Speaking for myself (TM): the switch to Bazaar made it MUCH HARDER to contribute. It takes 5-15 minutes (sometimes even longer) to check in anything, even for trivial changes. If making / testing a change is quicker than the time to check it in, it makes one think twice before trying to do anything. I am not sure if the "smart server" for bzr would help, but the current one is just doing some very effective negative advertising. One has to wonder why it even exists, given that it performs so badly. > should look for ways to attract more contributors, because the current > resources of manpower are evidently not large enough. Attracting contributors always helps, but it's also a question of better using the current contributors. There are many many discussions on the list that end with nothing because there's no clear authority that can make a final decision, and nobody feels particularly responsible to do so. admin/MAINTAINERS is a good example: it lists a tiny amount of the files in the tree. IMHO there's a need for more distributed responsibility.