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X-Gnus-Desktop: GNOME ('Ubuntu', '18.04', 'bionic') In-Reply-To: <873632lo3e.fsf@emailmessageidheader.nil> (Bob Newell's message of "Sun, 27 Sep 2020 14:52:21 -1000") Received-SPF: none client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::532; envelope-from=soyeomul@doraji.xyz; helo=mail-pg1-x532.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FROM_SUSPICIOUS_NTLD=0.499, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, T_PDS_OTHER_BAD_TLD=0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256560 Archived-At: Bob Newell writes: > James Lu writes: > >> Can your response be summarized like this? >> >> "Let's keep doing the same thing we're doing now >> and get the same result we've been getting for decades." > > No, that's a complete misreading! And in any case, Emacs has > grown and developed over the years, and become ever more > powerful. That's positive change with positive results. > > I perhaps wasn't clear enough about saying that of course more > high-quality documentation would be a good thing, that more > clarity would be a good thing, and that easing the learning > curve would be a good thing. (That's not to say that there > isn't already a lot of good documentation available, although > perhaps scattered about.) > > The other side of that, though, is that I wouldn't like to see > Emacs turned into some bloated monster. It's large enough as > it is, but at least the size relates to the power. Emacs was > never big on frills and cosmetics. > > Perhaps we have different concepts of what Emacs is or should > be, and that's fine. The Emacs community is broad and a > variety of opinions exist, as they should. > > I don't want Emacs to be Visual Studio. I certainly don't want > it to be like an office suite with toolbars and ribbons filled > with incomprehensible icons. I'm comfortable with the idea of > putting in effort to get a lot more back in return. In turn, I > recognize the need to keep the community active by bringing in > new people. It's a balancing act but if we don't stay true to > the core concepts of Emacs, which to me are unrivaled power > and flexibility with a minimalist, unobtrusive interface, > I think we will have gone in an unfortunate direction. Wow, really i like Bob's thought^^^ Sincerely, Gnus fan Byung-Hee --=20 ^=EA=B3=A0=EB=A7=99=EC=8A=B5=EB=8B=88=EB=8B=A4 _=E5=B8=83=E5=BE=B7=E5=A4=A9= =E4=B8=8B_ =EA=B0=90=EC=82=AC=ED=95=A9=EB=8B=88=EB=8B=A4_^))//