From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: mailclient-send-it usage of browse-url Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 10:14:09 +0200 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1271319279 21178 80.91.229.12 (15 Apr 2010 08:14:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 08:14:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Jeff Clough , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 15 10:14:38 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O2KDc-0004bR-Jt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 10:14:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45292 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O2KDb-0004Cc-GJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 04:14:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1O2KDV-0004CX-Ss for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 04:14:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=34677 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O2KDT-0004CA-7E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 04:14:29 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O2KDR-0000VB-F7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 04:14:27 -0400 Original-Received: from ebb06.tieto.com ([131.207.168.38]:52938) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O2KDR-0000Uj-5K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 04:14:25 -0400 X-AuditID: 83cfa826-b7c95ae000001320-5a-4bc6cade5059 Original-Received: from FIHGA-EXHUB01.eu.tieto.com ( [131.207.136.34]) by ebb06.tieto.com (SMTP Mailer) with SMTP id 5D.9B.04896.EDAC6CB4; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:14:22 +0300 (EEST) Original-Received: from uw000509 (10.48.99.3) by inbound.tieto.com (131.207.136.49) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.2.176.0; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:14:22 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 14 Apr 2010 17:23:20 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.1.95 (gnu/linux) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:123691 Archived-At: >>>>> "Stefan" == Stefan Monnier writes: Stefan> The problem is that for most users configuring sendmail is difficult This is true but it could be that there are ways of using sendmail where one would be less reliant of its configuration. This was the situation for me when trying to change to using the sendmail client. The default value of `mail-specify-envelope-from' is nil meaning that we rely on sendmail to generate the envelope and this requires sendmail to be setup correctly which apparently isn't the default on OSX. However, by setting the variable to true, emacs generates the envelope and now mails are getting delivered since they have a legitimate envelope which many mailservers wisely seem to require. The point I am trying ot make here (without being a great sendmail expert) that it may be possible to excert enough external control over sendmail to ensure delivery, at least for nodes directly connected to the internet. If you are in a situation where you need to authenticate, other approaches must be used. The biggest problem with sendmail (at least on OSX) is that (as David mentioned) it may fail silently. Sendmail will in a number of cases happily put the mail into the queue and then fail to deliver it later. ------------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Christian Lynbech | christian #\@ defun #\. dk ------------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Hit the philistines three times over the head with the Elisp reference manual. - petonic@hal.com (Michael A. Petonic)