From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andrea Corallo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: igc: trying to chase a crash Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2024 05:01:36 -0500 Message-ID: References: <874j3v2lq3.fsf@telefonica.net> <864j3vi0d0.fsf@gnu.org> <87zfln1468.fsf@telefonica.net> <86zflngk0j.fsf@gnu.org> <87v7wb11hk.fsf@telefonica.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6202"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: chad , =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gerd =?utf-8?Q?M=C3=B6llmann?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 27 11:02:25 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tGEsK-0001St-MM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2024 11:02:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tGErg-0004Us-SR; Wed, 27 Nov 2024 05:01:44 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tGErZ-0004TK-Tn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2024 05:01:37 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tGErZ-0004Sy-02; Wed, 27 Nov 2024 05:01:37 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:To: From; bh=n5BXmO8m1/tm1aBVh+mqxN+3VgEDKwBrI24Dz5G7XA4=; b=f6XgCs+2xeGbfJOLPWbU Jlr05jTOvg6+CPHcWNuXHZudGSknUtUvsAULqGHc4FFq4smehdC299l/kIzxIelBr0oq5O/U4DuFI xgBggOwFsFlCuu7qR4GLhvakSl0wVZOXWgfNWsuMEsLHh3uDph5WoJsmpB1ND0UZEiCd4MTaaEZl7 BHEQvJgeH+P+FjZQObz5rmvB7HZUBKyJDCdUTc/+KMaRSUs8qEquliiTmmkisifEWkzCtXTb6INWg pR1bIov995Zig+3RV23OUiS2SX6lDby4w29dh6UeCPHVaX+mqo6rr/19ACaNCBgAuVzdPcfjibbfp HUDpZ4ARn+gCWQ==; Original-Received: from acorallo by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tGErY-0003au-P8; Wed, 27 Nov 2024 05:01:36 -0500 In-Reply-To: ("Gerd =?utf-8?Q?M=C3=B6llmann=22'?= =?utf-8?Q?s?= message of "Wed, 27 Nov 2024 10:55:00 +0100") X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325750 Archived-At: Gerd M=C3=B6llmann writes: > Andrea Corallo writes: > >> Gerd M=C3=B6llmann writes: >> >>> Andrea Corallo writes: >>> >>>>> I get the same feeling. Something is a bit odd. >>>> >>>> I don't find this too odd, I have my own ideas about the reasons for >>>> this difference. >>> >>> Care to share your thoughts? >> >> Sure if it's of interest: my idea of few things that helped a lot native >> comp in gaining traction at time: >> >> - publishing simple blog posts summarizing and explaining the progresses >> of the branch [1] >> >> - native-comp being a feature branch, this clarified that the goal was >> merging to master (IOW something which was probably likely to happen) >> and that the branch was trackable by users. That's why I suggested >> more than once this solution in the past. >> >> - publishing some positive performance numbers in order to explain/prove >> the soundness of the approach. >> >> That said, users were very interested and gave a lot of good feedbacks >> and bug reports (my impression more than for igc), but the number of >> developers involved I'm pretty sure was not higher than what igc got >> already. > > Yes, thanks, that's interesting, for me at least, because I wasn't there > at the time. > > So, you did a ton of work, also outside the technical aspects, to get it > in, certainly requiring a very strong motivation and will power over a > long time. > > If that's a requirement, maybe it is the reason why users are ignoring > igc, indeed. And in that case, the question would be, if the project or > some individual(s) could or want to do something similar. Which I can't > answer. I won't do it, though, which I think I said already too often. > And, from my POV, no one can be blamed for not having that stamina. Absolutely, still I think few things are probably really low cost (the feature branch comes to my mind). Andrea