From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andrea Corallo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs website, Lisp, and other Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2024 08:03:45 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87sevj9b50.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <86h6bzqj2v.fsf@gnu.org> <87ed718o45.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <86h6bwoaa7.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4599"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Jeremy Bryant , emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 07 14:04:44 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sbfPI-00011N-4Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 07 Aug 2024 14:04:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sbfOw-0003r3-ST; Wed, 07 Aug 2024 08:04:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sbfOs-0003qP-5t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Aug 2024 08:04:18 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sbfOr-0007BY-Ff; Wed, 07 Aug 2024 08:04:17 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:To: From; bh=Dw139aLL7upu0kIKhtTOSRtDABJB3EBHWciVjHzNfL0=; b=hNhCGqHZ2nJaW6tgwneB rARkAMSghIZxmFirEqCqthWOdOQ5YDDrT/A5XjsIvy9DT3STzO/oJ1xWF1puwjkdtbhVVKoGWw4u+ Dv3BnVhg3iHhP1RMQIjVDVFM7ekVGB7c+ItoWuvv2e5xSOuMYT4scbJ/gF0SOsDlMdKRCWlADSv13 4e/iaiGGQZ/fO9yu+GMaNx8NRyS4U+uDq3DaRZGw3yAlByX8s9JcL+pE8amUbGtcfhqZXXb62ym6X cVkVeOOPUz0a4azThb5yjX8WhLQnrtWBsdpNMyfzSmEQAezTPVSwQzihwDhORFKnNBhhwsXdp5bQ4 do9sdF5JRSK6Xw==; Original-Received: from acorallo by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sbfOL-00059z-7Q; Wed, 07 Aug 2024 08:04:05 -0400 In-Reply-To: <86h6bwoaa7.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 07 Aug 2024 14:13:52 +0300") X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:322500 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Jeremy Bryant >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org >> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2024 20:09:30 +0100 >> >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >> >> From: Jeremy Bryant >> >> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2024 23:27:39 +0100 >> >> >> >> Reviewing the Emacs website, and previous discussions on this list below >> >> (admittedly not recent, but still relevant). It seems important to add >> >> some text on Lisp which is not currently there, as per ideas of RMS and >> >> Eli summarised below. >> > >> > Why is this important? >> >> It appeared to be an outstanding documentation item to add to the >> website, using the summary text written from RMS. >> >> I personally believe it is important and useful in the context of an >> introduction to Emacs such as the website. For new users, or indeed >> new contributors, Emacs Lisp may appear an intriguing choice, and that >> summary offers a compelling reason for Lisp. > > It is hard to find a good place there to talk about these aspects. > The site introduces Emacs as an editor, and describes its important > features. Emacs being Emacs, that list is long, but far from > comprehensive. We could add a paragraph about Lisp there, but then > (a) it would be most probably lost in the (quite long) introduction, > and (b) there are many more aspects of Emacs of the same importance > that could be added, and we must draw the line somewhere. > > The way the site solves this dilemma is to focus on user-facing > features. The fact that Emacs is written in Lisp doesn't fit, IMO. Agree