From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Koppelman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tab bar Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 19:05:44 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87wsnaso3h.fsf@jurta.org> <87d4p2tuim.fsf@jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1207526758 9406 80.91.229.12 (7 Apr 2008 00:05:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 00:05:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 07 02:06:30 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JiesX-0004uD-Lv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 02:06:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jieru-0004Vs-GY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Apr 2008 20:05:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jierr-0004Vn-TT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Apr 2008 20:05:47 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jierq-0004Vb-Jx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Apr 2008 20:05:47 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jierq-0004VY-E0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Apr 2008 20:05:46 -0400 Original-Received: from ecelsrv1.ece.lsu.edu ([130.39.223.98]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jierp-0005um-Cc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Apr 2008 20:05:45 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by ecelsrv1.ece.lsu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE3F528349; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 00:05:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ece.lsu.edu Original-Received: from ecelsrv1.ece.lsu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ecelsrv1.ece.lsu.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vBeAvlqEyE-e; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 19:05:44 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from nested.ece.lsu.edu (nested.ece.lsu.edu [130.39.222.143]) by ecelsrv1.ece.lsu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EE0528347; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 19:05:44 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <87d4p2tuim.fsf@jurta.org> (Juri Linkov's message of "Mon, 07 Apr 2008 02:48:17 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:94536 Archived-At: For new users a tab bar with one tab per buffer (and perhaps showing the n most recent) would be a great help, they can get to work without immediately having to learn how to switch buffers or for that matter learning what a buffer is. I'd suggest taking such users into account when designing the tab bar though without compromising the features for organization that experienced users might want. Juri Linkov writes: >> I frequently work with new users of Emacs and perhaps their biggest >> frustration is switching between buffers (or even just knowing that's >> what they need to do). >> >> If the tab bar by default provided one tab per buffer that would be >> great for such users. > > It is not unusual to have tens or even hundreds buffers in Emacs. > Can you imagine a tab bar with hundreds tabs? It would occupy > the whole screen. > > But really switching between buffers is not a problem, because Emacs > already provides many different ways to do this: the top-level menu > "Buffers", pop-up menu, `C-x b' key, several packages like > buff-menu.el, ebuff-menu.el, ibuffer.el, iswitchb.el, ido.el, etc. > > What Emacs still misses is a feature to group several frames, > window configurations, work areas, perspectives (these are > different names for almost the same thing) in the tab bar.