From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kelly Dean Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: The purpose of makunbound Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 00:32:51 +0000 Message-ID: References: <877fvbg6my.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1424565284 21664 80.91.229.3 (22 Feb 2015 00:34:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 00:34:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Stephen J. Turnbull" , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 22 01:34:33 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YPKVE-0005LI-8i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 01:34:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38112 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YPKVD-0008Sc-Dz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 21 Feb 2015 19:34:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45680) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YPKV5-0008QI-C5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Feb 2015 19:34:28 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YPKUx-0004Pa-Kw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Feb 2015 19:34:23 -0500 Original-Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net ([2001:4b98:c:538::198]:48030) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YPKUx-0004PT-Ey for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Feb 2015 19:34:15 -0500 Original-Received: from mfilter4-d.gandi.net (mfilter4-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.134]) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB64FB877; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 01:34:14 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter4-d.gandi.net X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER SECTION, Duplicate header field: "Cc" Original-Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.198]) by mfilter4-d.gandi.net (mfilter4-d.gandi.net [10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aWw1oE4PFLRq; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 01:34:13 +0100 (CET) X-Originating-IP: 66.220.3.179 Original-Received: from localhost (gm179.geneticmail.com [66.220.3.179]) (Authenticated sender: kelly@prtime.org) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 09CDEFB87D; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 01:34:10 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <877fvbg6my.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4b98:c:538::198 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:183376 Archived-At: Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >Richard Stallman writes: > >>> Ok, great! Since the term =E2=80=9Fvoid=E2=80=9D is fine, let's use =E2= =8C=9CQvoid=E2=8C=9D for >>> the corresponding constant in the source code. >> >> I won't argue against it. > > I will. [snip] > @Stefan: Please refuse to make this change. @Stefan: Stephen objects to the change of Qunbound to Qvoid. Richard does not obje= ct. The change would make the source code more consistent with the manual, wh= ich almost always uses the term =E2=80=9Fvoid=E2=80=9D for the Qunbound s= tate. Even the docstrings for makunbound and boundp use =E2=80=9Fvoid=E2=80= =9D, not =E2=80=9Funbound=E2=80=9D. Section 11.4 ((elisp) Void Variables) even has four occurrences of =E2=80= =9Fvoid=E2=80=9D as a verb meaning =C2=ABto make the state void=C2=BB, an= d uses =E2=80=9Fvoidness=E2=80=9D to mean =C2=ABthe state of being void=C2= =BB. The change would also make the source code more consistent with itself, s= ince it already has Qvoid_variable, not Qunbound_variable, as the corresp= onding error code. Stefan, may I make the change?