From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: sperber@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor]) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Improving communication between GNU Emacs and XEmacs Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:22:08 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200204111452.g3BEqxb21309@aztec.santafe.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1018541118 8515 127.0.0.1 (11 Apr 2002 16:05:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:05:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([195.204.10.138]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16vguA-0000o2-00 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:54:34 +0200 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org (quimby.gnus.org [80.91.224.244]) by hermes.netfonds.no (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g3BFRRf06549 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:27:27 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16vgjm-0003ij-00 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:43:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16vgTb-0004vs-00; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:27:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mx2.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.12.9]) by fencepost.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16vgRY-0004o9-00; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:25:00 -0400 Original-Received: from sams.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (sams [134.2.12.50]) by mx2.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64BCA10D9; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:22:08 +0200 (MST) Original-Received: (from sperber@localhost) by sams.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3BFM8p32485; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:22:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sperber) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <200204111452.g3BEqxb21309@aztec.santafe.edu> (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:52:59 -0600 (MDT)") Original-Lines: 36 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090005 (Oort Gnus v0.05) XEmacs/21.5 (beets, i386-unknown-freebsd4.5) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by hermes.netfonds.no id g3BFRRf06549 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:2544 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:2544 >>>>> "RMS" =3D=3D Richard Stallman writes: RMS> Since we cannot use the code in XEmacs for lack of legal papers from RMS> the authors (and even records about who the authors were), there is RMS> not much possibility for cooperation with you to be useful for RMS> us. This is an unsubstantiated claim, and it doesn't get better with repetition---many XEmacs maintainers have signed papers (including myself), and if you have questions about authorship, you need only ask. I'll admit there are probably murky areas, but these are not everywhere. We'll try to oblige---why don't you try it out? RMS> I don't see sense in helping you design changes to code we can't RMS> use anyway. Well, as a sign of goodwill, many XEmacs developers have written and maintained code which are available for GNU Emacs as well---as vice versa. If we adopted your viewpoint, then you're obviously saying we should stop doing this since this is really code we can't use anyway either. RMS> In order for code to be available to you and to us, it has to start RMS> from the code in Emacs (or else from zero). =20 In fact, you just asked me to assist in bringing over code I wrote from XEmacs to GNU Emacs. Where's the availability problem? If you personally would like to abstain from any cooperation, that's your right. It's just an offer of goodwill. I hope other GNU Emacs developers will continue to cooperate in good spirit, as they have done in the past. --=20 Cheers =3D8-} Mike Friede, V=F6lkerverst=E4ndigung und =FCberhaupt blabla