From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: sperber@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor]) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp and Guile Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:32:36 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200207200035.g6K0ZAb27891@aztec.santafe.edu> <200207212015.g6LKF4c00874@aztec.santafe.edu> <200207251807.g6PI75d07615@aztec.santafe.edu> <874renlito.fsf@zagadka.ping.de> <200207271853.g6RIre710837@aztec.santafe.edu> <200207310554.g6V5ssc16508@aztec.santafe.edu> <200208021743.g72HhkX01596@aztec.santafe.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1028989941 15742 127.0.0.1 (10 Aug 2002 14:32:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:32:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: marius.vollmer@uni-dortmund.de, neil@ossau.uklinux.net, raeburn@raeburn.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17dXHv-00045l-00 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:32:19 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17dXf1-00075x-00 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:56:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17dXIj-0001fu-00; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:33:09 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17dXIG-0001er-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:32:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17dXIF-0001ef-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:32:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mx1.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.12.5]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17dXIE-0001eZ-00; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:32:38 -0400 Original-Received: from sams.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (sams [134.2.12.50]) by mx1.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3720F439; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:32:37 +0200 (MST) Original-Received: from sams.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sams.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g7AEWaxs040089; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:32:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sperber@sams.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de) Original-Received: (from sperber@localhost) by sams.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g7AEWaGg040086; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:32:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sperber) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <200208021743.g72HhkX01596@aztec.santafe.edu> (Richard Stallman's message of "Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:43:46 -0600 (MDT)") Original-Lines: 25 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) XEmacs/21.5 (broccoli, i386-unknown-freebsd4.6) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:6419 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:6419 >>>>> "RMS" == Richard Stallman writes: RMS> The clean approach is that each of these Lisp variables is simply a RMS> Scheme variable. RMS> [...] RMS> I think it is ugly--variables should remain variables. Except the variable concepts in Emacs Lisp and Scheme are very different. Forcing the Emacs Lisp concept upon Scheme would be pretty ugly and unclean. Furthermore, I don't see why you think this is necessary. I've seen a lot of verbiage on this thread, but you haven't been very specific on this issue. (Maybe I've missed something; if so, I'd ask some kind soul to rub my nose in that place.) What exactly is the problem of marking parameter-like dynamic variables specially and, in Scheme, using different constructs from Emacs Lisp to bind, set, and access them? -- Cheers =8-} Mike Friede, Völkerverständigung und überhaupt blabla