From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Meanness Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:56:12 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20080726081019.GB1419@muc.de> <3alwzlc4.fsf@telefonica.net> <85wsj81uvf.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217091400 6379 80.91.229.12 (26 Jul 2008 16:56:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:56:40 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 26 18:57:29 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KMn5E-0003eh-LG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:57:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42126 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMn4K-0003wz-Ut for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:56:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMn4G-0003wi-Dd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:56:28 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMn4F-0003wJ-C0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:56:27 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=51482 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMn4F-0003wG-5p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:56:27 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2]:34008 helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KMn4E-0004jC-I7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:56:26 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1KMn49-00053S-Ac for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:56:21 +0000 Original-Received: from 230.red-83-61-145.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.61.145.230]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:56:21 +0000 Original-Received: from ofv by 230.red-83-61-145.dynamicip.rima-tde.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:56:21 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 46 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 230.red-83-61-145.dynamicip.rima-tde.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:7nr60O97Q8c0txqlzt1vQvwvlg4= X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101543 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: [snip] > In contrast to my pretensions. You forgot to mention that I murder baby > seals. Or is this already implied by me being a real disgrace for > humanity who should get himself fixed? Please stop this victimising nonsense. I'm talking about attitudes, not actions. >> More open hands and less finger pointing, please. > > Do you _really_ need to stoop to that level because you can't accept > that my cost/benefit analysis comes to a different conclusion than > yours? The matter here is that you make difficult to discuss your analysis, because you didn't show it clearly. There are only vagueness about Emacs hackers being distracted by the Windows port (maybe they are free to decide what they do with their time?) and NT Emacs being a deterrent for going the GNU/Linux route (of course, if they were using Visual Studio it would be much easier the transition to Emacs+Makefiles on GNU/Linux ). Seriously, what Richard said about NT Emacs being an inconvenient for transitioning to GNU/Linux seems absurd to me, because my experience (and my sometimes faulty logic) says the contrary. I don't dispute that *some* shops may be comfortable enough on Windows thanks to Free software, but I dispute that Windows ports of Free Software actually are stopping GNU/Linux adoption on most cases. Thanks to the plethora of quality Free software available on Windows, the transition to GNU/Linux was almost a non-issue for me. Perhaps more important, those tools demonstrate to Windows people that the FS philosophy may produce good software. Being acquainted with the FS philosophy itself is just a consequence of this perception. You want to preach to the infidels, not to the choir, and GNU software on Windows is preaching loud. That you dispute this puzzles me to no end, so if you are so kind of stating your counter-arguments or facts proving me wrong, I'll be glad to listen. -- Oscar