From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "H. Dieter Wilhelm" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [External] : emacs-28 windows binaries available from alpha Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2022 17:49:31 +0100 Message-ID: References: <834k5d3hbv.fsf@gnu.org> <83pmo11wij.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39985"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (windows-nt) Cc: akrl@sdf.org, corwin@bru.st, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 05 17:51:33 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nGOHY-000A2i-O9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2022 17:51:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35972 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nGOHW-0001nf-Va for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2022 11:51:26 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:43152) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nGOFu-0000jN-Os for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2022 11:49:46 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([217.72.192.73]:45673) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nGOFs-00088q-L7; Sat, 05 Feb 2022 11:49:46 -0500 Original-Received: from VSL7V7PW ([92.116.147.232]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue106 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mg6qO-1mYocr056M-00he2m; Sat, 05 Feb 2022 17:49:35 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83pmo11wij.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 05 Feb 2022 11:40:52 +0200") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:SET4y8wpHWZQ/C3PuclloBCzBP6aC4sLaKWtCFscQVQYqPLBT6Y O8/OzGhm6mY3uRqYRQcwhCmdhos+2bwGTPmwWl2tQtkVveg7O3yfamE4EfjU+WnjIM1q20q H0H7fTvvyYu6KOlzWTA7im9QobVU0zw8seXI7ePpibyf9wZOvQJU5l+rZaLvL+AZJAmjy7r UmjKifaim0fu+mP6k1b+Q== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:KGXEPvzic7E=:53z3K8CAfCbTYbtnG4eiql 0ge/AKAJeMVGDxRgyrbbAAhJOAoc1EsSa+Sq5Cyi+VXUxosr33ozK72E1K+uZ3sDsOBlKa7h3 q2Cnvd+hdbRf+4nFGtWMpdkRaBHF1oHH3TW61x1rtZz6Enjw5HVZVdwgA3kfIl5oPUduDGnn2 MBQEImjsz4jN7V2JVXMYsOqnfgFsVL3/IdIqjIS6c9eio8UlxWB+CdzlfkMMHcOPDPzkhIGtP Brs0cY7Gsn/IPJB+DsNkJMclHYjEO5LO8acLDOJvPr0hb0X/Gzetz/aemKqIEfUWh5C8raaaI bLbGcz0PamTSD8AUr2yre4SRGpIam/Ghy+BJGWRtyfQuez7A3D9IpYOWEKu//xiY4y1ny46l+ 0CNodWz3YOKpfuwpejCUUFV3mgu7kBhGwlLVrkBOWrknesz9PqRTP/PcwhK94Eswtl8A47pHV DYSKxMamH+z5X6CroXcBGPx8q0nh8r04uhLWNqN7SzGNnKFZ4VUGCn5hyDOCxuKHqrPTsLYu0 AO9AhE+ZWBGx4+3s+BcSfSL3RmyC2TFfW9f7lkDrbtyVMm4mLKtWxhGLUjAeVD9h34z+W0qXd lp+1h/cRJ6rqE2tbRewZVighRy0UL+ALS8lOB9QR8U+JHGRLw8mW89Y8OxDJhqWBcQgxV8ir6 EtyqzUjTwglvIc/TdWZVM2eMiZfcbdTaZ6GnqUY613CA9D+xRWgroD5RC+ZT/VOTtMlPDQwVB D+lbZ+1IhZd/er+V Received-SPF: none client-ip=217.72.192.73; envelope-from=dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de; helo=mout.kundenserver.de X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:285904 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: "H. Dieter Wilhelm" >> Cc: Drew Adams , Andrea Corallo , >> corwin@bru.st, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2022 10:22:26 +0100 >>=20 >> On a Windows system WITH ligccjit I could load Drew's .elc file without >> an error. >>=20 >> Then I added his .el file in the same folder and reloaded the .elc file >> (with load-file). I was expecting that Emacs would create a respective >> .eln file in this situation. But it didn't. > > Please repeat this experiment in a fresh Emacs session, started > when the .el file is already available... > >> Loading d:/tmp/Corwin/strings.elc (compiled; note, source file is >> newer)...done > > ...and make sure the .elc file is newer, not older, than the .el file. "Touched" and loaded strings.elc. -rw-r--r-- 1 uidg1626 Domain Users 34051 Feb 5 10:04 strings.el -rw-r--r-- 1 uidg1626 Domain Users 22756 Feb 5 16:54 strings.elc But it seems that string.el wasn't compiled, I can't see it in *Asysnc-native-compile-log* neither in eln-cache!? >> Does this mean that Emacs - by default - is only natively compiling .el >> files which are from Emacs' tree and (M)elpa packages? > > No. Emacs should natively compile any .el file when its .elc file is > loaded, provided that (a) the .el file can be found, and (b) the .el > file is older than the .elc file. Might it work when the .el files are in PATH or in Emacs' tree? >> When (load-file)ing the .el file then Emacs compiled the cl.el library. >> *Asyn-native-compoile-log* Compiling >> d:/tmp/Corwin/2022-02-04/share/emacs/28.0.91/lisp/obsolete/cl.el... >>=20 >> *Messages* Loading d:/tmp/Corwin/strings.el (source)... >> d:/tmp/Corwin/strings.el: Warning: =E2=80=98psetq=E2=80=99 is an obsol= ete alias (as of >> 27.1); use =E2=80=98cl-psetq=E2=80=99 instead. > > As expected. When you load a file with an explicit .el extension, > Emacs will not natively compile that file -- this is a feature. Good to know, thank you -- Dieter