From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andrea Corallo via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A proposal for a friendlier Emacs Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 19:31:59 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4be18b5f-dc07-2703-a2de-1ed08916ebdf@gmail.com> <3774c435-60d6-a958-77d1-a831599c85c5@gmail.com> Reply-To: Andrea Corallo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26335"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) Cc: Stefan Kangas , nicola.manca85@gmail.com, thibaut.verron@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: ams@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 19 21:33:57 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kJicP-0006jJ-Cp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 21:33:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34422 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kJicO-0007Jx-Ez for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 15:33:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59250) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kJial-0006o4-3C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 15:32:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:53473) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kJiag-0006hT-9y; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 15:32:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mab (ma.sdf.org [205.166.94.33]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTP id 08JJVx59012005; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 19:31:59 GMT In-Reply-To: (Alfred M. Szmidt's message of "Sat, 19 Sep 2020 11:09:20 -0400") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=205.166.94.24; envelope-from=akrl@sdf.org; helo=mx.sdf.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/19 15:32:01 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = ??? X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256211 Archived-At: ams@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) writes: > > I, for one, would be happy to have a one-click option to set a bunch > > of reasonable defaults whenever I start Emacs on a new device. > > > > And using the splash screen, that exact possibility is also there. So > > nothing is lost. > > Yes, something is lost. No matter how you go about doing it, it is > clear that it will be significantly less visible. That's the entire > reason why you are arguing for it, if I understand correctly. > > What is lost exactly? You have the _exact_ same information, plus > some (that of a on-click setup). Having a special new-user dialog > would be a loss in information since it would hide the splash screen > which provides valuable information for new and old users alike. > > If users don't read the normal splash screen, there is no reason to > expect them to look at another "setup screen". I suspect they probably don't read it because there is too much information already, adding more would just make it worst. > I claim that opening Emacs on new accounts with no .emacs will be > infrequent for most users. > > Just today I accessed four different machines where I had never logged > in (mainly for development stuff, where the machines run different > operating systems, often new VMs setup for whatever). Sometimes it is > accessing the machine as root, sometimes it is as my self. Which _exact_ part of the spash screen have you used in this process? How this proposed menu would have made harder your job today?