From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andrea Corallo via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 06:54:43 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20200906133719.cu6yaldvenxubcqq.ref@Ergus> <20200906133719.cu6yaldvenxubcqq@Ergus> <20200906222008.qtpxy65f3updclgh@Ergus> Reply-To: Andrea Corallo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15097"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) Cc: "Alfred M. Szmidt" , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ergus Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 07 08:56:00 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kFB4I-0003mR-Gm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 08:55:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38052 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFB4H-0002yA-FK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 02:55:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44292) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFB3J-0002Lb-9z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 02:54:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:61280) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFB3G-0006bL-V8; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 02:54:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mab (ma.sdf.org [205.166.94.33]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTP id 0876sh4E013286; Mon, 7 Sep 2020 06:54:44 GMT In-Reply-To: <20200906222008.qtpxy65f3updclgh@Ergus> (Ergus's message of "Mon, 7 Sep 2020 00:20:08 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=205.166.94.24; envelope-from=akrl@sdf.org; helo=mx.sdf.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/07 02:54:46 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = ??? X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254613 Archived-At: Ergus writes: [...] > So what if: > > Could we provide a simple command line option like "emacs -m" (or any > letter not in use) which automatically loads a set of extra > "experimental" defaults not suitable for older users?? (the same as > emacs -l modern.el but shorter) Like a different theme, line numbers, > show-paren mode, and any other "modern" feature a newbie expects in a > 2020 editor? > > We can also provide a .desktop only for it and equivalents to make it > easier to find for new users. And recommend the users to add an alias if > they like to set it as default? and add a note in the welcome screen. > > Is this also too crazy? It is probably the only viable option, even if sub-optimal will be certainly better than nothing. Unfortunately many people evaluate this default changes in terms of how many lines their .emacs is going to be afterwards. This is a totally broken metric as the only goal should be easing new users to get onboard. Andrea