From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andrea Corallo via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A modern-mode? Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 18:47:41 +0000 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Andrea Corallo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38889"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 15 20:48:25 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kIG07-000A07-LO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 20:48:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33732 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIG06-0003eI-N5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 14:48:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38302) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIFzb-0003Aj-2Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 14:47:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:61887) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIFzX-0007BN-GF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 14:47:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mab (ma.sdf.org [205.166.94.33]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTP id 08FIlffg023802; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 18:47:41 GMT In-Reply-To: (Gregory Heytings's message of "Tue, 15 Sep 2020 16:47:38 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=205.166.94.24; envelope-from=akrl@sdf.org; helo=mx.sdf.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/15 12:47:44 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = ??? X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255782 Archived-At: Gregory Heytings writes: > I'm biased, but I do not think this is better than the guided tour / > interactive guide proposal that Yuan Fu and me sent a few days ago. > > The problem of "modern-mode" is that, as the traffic on this list > during the last days has shown, different people have different ideas > of what "modern" is, and might want to turn each feature on or off. > Some might want a dark theme and others not, some might want tabs and > others not, and so forth. So it is better to give something more > refined than a binary modern/non-modern choice. > > Moreover the guided tour proposal introduces the most important > concepts of Emacs, and explains how to find help, which I believe is > very important if the point is the help people getting (and staying!) > into the Emacs universe. Hi Gregory, I agree with Drew that these are two different (IMO interesting) features. If (as suggested) the modern-mode becomes a modern-theme this is effectively like a new set of defaults that can be easily toggled, and if the user wants later on refined and re-configured. I hope to see both features coming to fruition as they are not exclusive. Andrea