From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andrea Corallo via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A proposal for a friendlier Emacs Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 21:37:05 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4be18b5f-dc07-2703-a2de-1ed08916ebdf@gmail.com> <3774c435-60d6-a958-77d1-a831599c85c5@gmail.com> <83sgbd1qsz.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Andrea Corallo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23697"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) Cc: ams@gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, nicola.manca85@gmail.com, thibaut.verron@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 19 23:37:56 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kJkYO-00066R-CF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 23:37:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51726 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kJkYN-0001hQ-DL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 17:37:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49630) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kJkXg-0001FC-9k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 17:37:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:57856) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kJkXc-0003q2-I6; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 17:37:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mab (ma.sdf.org [205.166.94.33]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTP id 08JLb57Z007916; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 21:37:05 GMT In-Reply-To: <83sgbd1qsz.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 19 Sep 2020 22:59:08 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=205.166.94.24; envelope-from=akrl@sdf.org; helo=mx.sdf.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/19 15:32:01 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = ??? X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256222 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Cc: Stefan Kangas , nicola.manca85@gmail.com, >> thibaut.verron@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 19:31:59 +0000 >> From: Andrea Corallo via "Emacs development discussions." >> >> > If users don't read the normal splash screen, there is no reason to >> > expect them to look at another "setup screen". >> >> I suspect they probably don't read it because there is too much >> information already, adding more would just make it worst. > > Are you sure you don't say this as someone who've seen that page many > times already? > > That page is made for people who start Emacs for the first time. When > they see that page for the first time, why would we assume they don't > carefully read all of it? I'm not a UI designer but my observation is that especially when these are made to help new starters they try to give only the least (but very important) possible information. I think stuffing alot of information in the spash screen makes it less effective, but I have no proof of that :) Andrea