From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andrea Corallo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2022 16:28:58 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87bkqxf1ij.fsf@tethera.net> <87mtafnun5.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83sfk6ahty.fsf@gnu.org> <8735c6b0wo.fsf@gnus.org> <87y1ty9lha.fsf@gnus.org> <87lepym6ok.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <877d1i9h7k.fsf@gnus.org> <83edvqyr3q.fsf@gnu.org> <874jwl8e4p.fsf@gnus.org> <87pmf64beo.fsf@gnus.org> <87h70i4a46.fsf@gnus.org> <87czb648r9.fsf@gnus.org> <874jwi47l6.fsf@gnus.org> <87v8oy2qs7.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39219"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , rlb@defaultvalue.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, david@tethera.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 05 19:07:55 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1og7sA-0009wd-Fy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 19:07:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40878 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1og7s9-00051J-FN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 13:07:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49282) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1og7Ge-0006jc-8U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 12:29:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:61048) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1og7Gb-0005oo-QI; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 12:29:07 -0400 Original-Received: from ma.sdf.org (ma.sdf.org [205.166.94.33]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 295GSwVF023438 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Wed, 5 Oct 2022 16:28:59 GMT In-Reply-To: <87v8oy2qs7.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 05 Oct 2022 18:12:24 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=205.166.94.24; envelope-from=akrl@sdf.org; helo=mx.sdf.org X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296992 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Andrea Corallo writes: > >> The naming went first to `inhibit-native-compilation', this was really >> just sooo wrong in so many levels :/ So many as many knobs we have to >> control and disable different parts of the native compiler. I can't >> really think of one understanding all this machinery and then picking up >> this name sorry, I can't. > > Naming is the most difficult thing in computing, after all. > > The doc string to the variable explained what it does just fine, so I > think your understanding needs a check-up. (And I don't appreciated > being talked to in this tone, in case you wondered.) > >>> 1) It allows testing without writing to $HOME. (This has nothing to >>> do with --batch -- testing happens in interactive Emacsen, too.) >> >> The user request is for non interactive sessions AFAIU. And still I've >> to understand exactly what the user wants to solve. Most importantly I >> feel I'm not alone here. > > And I'm telling you that's not all that was requested for... the third > time? I'm not sure I'm getting any further here by repeating myself, so > I think I'll stop. > >>> 2) It allows people to run an AOT Emacs without triggering further >>> compilation. >> >> Sorry as changeset I meant 5fec9182db + f97993ee66. I'm not against >> e245c4f226. >> >>> If you have a suggestion for an alternative change that achieves these >>> two things, I'm all ears. (But if your objection is "people shouldn't >>> want those two things", I'm down to just two ears again.) >> >> Again 5fec9182db + f97993ee66 are IMO not useful / wrong, they were not >> discussed and are just a step backward. The best change I can suggest >> is to revert them now. > > You're just repeating that you're against it without proposing an > alternative, which is not helpful, so I think we've come to the of the > discussion on this point, too. You asked for an ameliorative change, I gave you one, that is just to revert it. If you don't like it I don't know what to do, I'll not speculate on your psychology as you did with mine ;) Best Regards Andrea