From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andrea Corallo via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A modern-mode? Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 00:07:21 +0000 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Andrea Corallo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15418"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 16 02:08:00 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kIKzP-0003uF-P1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 02:07:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41866 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIKzO-0004vE-Rr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 20:07:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47040) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIKyw-0004V7-Fw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 20:07:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:58239) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIKyu-0004dz-FQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 20:07:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mab (ma.sdf.org [205.166.94.33]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTP id 08G07LRJ008345; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 00:07:21 GMT In-Reply-To: (Gregory Heytings's message of "Tue, 15 Sep 2020 20:48:26 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=205.166.94.24; envelope-from=akrl@sdf.org; helo=mx.sdf.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/15 20:07:26 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = ??? X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255807 Archived-At: Gregory Heytings writes: > I see what you mean, but I do not see how this would help newcomers. I think one easily accessible ready to go set of more modern/friendly defaults can help new users getting started. I'm convinced new comers should ideally do *nothing* to have a more friendly system to begin with, if this is not possible hopefully something easy as typing '-m' is the closest. If you think a guided tour to go through is more effective, well you are very much entitled to. I don't think this is sufficiently immediate for many cases but I think can be useful for others. Andrea