From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andrea Corallo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2022 14:08:21 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87bkqxf1ij.fsf@tethera.net> <83sfk6ahty.fsf@gnu.org> <8735c6b0wo.fsf@gnus.org> <87y1ty9lha.fsf@gnus.org> <87lepym6ok.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <877d1i9h7k.fsf@gnus.org> <83edvqyr3q.fsf@gnu.org> <874jwl8e4p.fsf@gnus.org> <87ill16t3a.fsf@gnus.org> <87edvp6nnf.fsf@gnus.org> <87a66d6lsw.fsf@gnus.org> <875yh16k59.fsf@gnus.org> <871qrp6itb.fsf@gnus.org> <8335c2tlx3.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="9407"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: larsi@gnus.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, rlb@defaultvalue.org, david@tethera.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 05 16:46:05 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1og5ev-0002Dj-Bh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 16:46:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38948 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1og5et-0005AC-SX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 10:46:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34856) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1og54V-0001cb-0K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 10:08:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:64287) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1og54S-0005mV-Qm; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 10:08:26 -0400 Original-Received: from ma.sdf.org (ma.sdf.org [205.166.94.33]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 295E8LXk021635 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Wed, 5 Oct 2022 14:08:21 GMT In-Reply-To: <8335c2tlx3.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 05 Oct 2022 16:55:20 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=205.166.94.24; envelope-from=akrl@sdf.org; helo=mx.sdf.org X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296973 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Andrea Corallo >> Cc: Stefan Monnier , Eli Zaretskii >> , >> rlb@defaultvalue.org, david@tethera.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2022 12:55:40 +0000 >> >> I wish this change was not rushed. > > Me too. Especially since I'm still struggling to understand the > rationale of the Debian packagers to request this. Agree and that's not all! As we know native compilations happens automatically for: 1- Trampolines, this we *cannot* disable in any case. 2- Deferred/jit compilation, this is *already* disabled in non interactive sessions! (the way I guess Debian Emacs process is used for package instgallation). So I think this changeset does not help Debian packagers at all but ATM is just more surface for future issues! Andrea