From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andrea Corallo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2022 17:58:37 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87bkqxf1ij.fsf@tethera.net> <83sfk6ahty.fsf@gnu.org> <8735c6b0wo.fsf@gnus.org> <87y1ty9lha.fsf@gnus.org> <87lepym6ok.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <877d1i9h7k.fsf@gnus.org> <83edvqyr3q.fsf@gnu.org> <874jwl8e4p.fsf@gnus.org> <87pmf64beo.fsf@gnus.org> <87h70i4a46.fsf@gnus.org> <87czb648r9.fsf@gnus.org> <874jwi47l6.fsf@gnus.org> <87zgea2sgv.fsf@gnus.org> <87r0zm2qpl.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34411"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , rlb@defaultvalue.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, david@tethera.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 05 20:20:27 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1og90M-0008oI-Dp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 20:20:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58134 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1og90K-0000wb-S2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 14:20:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39968) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1og8fN-0002GH-34 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 13:58:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:49292) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1og8fK-0002Kw-Pk; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 13:58:44 -0400 Original-Received: from ma.sdf.org (ma.sdf.org [205.166.94.33]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 295Hwb5K012494 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Wed, 5 Oct 2022 17:58:37 GMT In-Reply-To: <87r0zm2qpl.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 05 Oct 2022 18:13:58 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=205.166.94.24; envelope-from=akrl@sdf.org; helo=mx.sdf.org X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296999 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Andrea Corallo writes: > >>> (Which reminds me -- one thing I've been pondering for a while is >>> whether "emacs -Q" should imply having the JIT off or not. We use "-Q" >>> to get a repeatable Emacs for users, so it would make some sense to have >>> -Q now imply `inhibit-automatic-native-compilation'. >> >> Noooo please!! -Q has just one single clear meaning, let please not add >> other implications to it!! The situation would become very quickly >> unmanageable. > > Yes, that one clear meaning is: > > -Q, --quick > Similar to "-q --no-site-file --no-splash". Also, avoid > processing X resources. Exactly, adding complexity involving the execution engine here is IMO just searching for troubles (and having -Q not usable for debugging the execution engine itself). Let's please do not write patches solving issues we never encountered or implementing unrequested features. Andrea