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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c09::22c X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:213906 Archived-At: On Wed, Apr 12 2017, martin rudalics wrote: > > Before [1: aca31e3815] a plain './autogen.sh' installed the hooks > > (that commit also updates the recommended way to './autogen.sh all'). > > You probably just still have them (they're installed under .git/hooks > > and so they don't get removed by any usual cleaning procedure). > > > > 1: 2016-02-02 23:14:30 -0800 aca31e3815b9bd9c696cf0c74cc4a80ad7e35ec9 > > autogen.sh now configures git only on request > > I'm confused. Doesn't this mean that many people don't really care about > trailing whitespace? In case of SpecialCasing.txt the file comes from outside so I cared more about having it byte-for-byte identical with the source than removing trailing white space. At the same time, I=E2=80=99m sure many people indeed don=E2=80=99t care ab= out trailing white space. I would wager that it=E2=80=99s also true within Emacs contributors. I care but not enough to write a pre-commit hook. In general I find commit errors emitted by the hooks too strict. This is one example. Another is length limit in commit messages. While it makes sense for description, it also prevents error messages to be included verbatim. For example in 4b3db0daa65 I=C2=B9 had to edit the message to fit in the limit. =C2=B9 If you=E2=80=99re confused, the code was authored by Noam but I=E2= =80=99ve written the message and committed the patch. --=20 Best regards =E3=83=9F=E3=83=8F=E3=82=A6 =E2=80=9C=F0=9D=93=B6=F0=9D=93=B2=F0=9D=93=B7= =F0=9D=93=AA86=E2=80=9D =E3=83=8A=E3=82=B6=E3=83=AC=E3=83=B4=E3=82=A4=E3=83= =84 =C2=ABIf at first you don=E2=80=99t succeed, give up skydiving=C2=BB