From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: `xterm-mouse-mode' has a bogus Custom group Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 01:22:08 +0200 Message-ID: References: <200504020351.j323ppS16391@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <16974.11752.332998.125628@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <200504021346.j32Dk3e19471@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <16978.12100.857894.861739@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <200504060000.j3600bm15264@raven.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1112830254 7179 80.91.229.2 (6 Apr 2005 23:30:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 23:30:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: nickrob@snap.net.nz, teirllm@dms.auburn.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 07 01:30:48 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DJJyt-0002dZ-DD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 01:30:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DJJY4-0004of-AP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 19:03:00 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DJJVX-0004IF-Ez for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 19:00:27 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DJJVW-0004CC-NS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 19:00:22 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DJJrD-0008Mv-04 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 19:22:47 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DJJqL-0006Js-UM; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 19:21:54 -0400 Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 06 Apr 2005 19:01:33 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:35662 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:35662 Richard Stallman writes: > The console clearly is exclusively a feature of the kernel. > > The console is implemented by the kernel, but you use it to log in > to the whole system. There are embedded Linux systems that are most definitely not GNU, and for example the system at runs Linux, but not the GNU system. > Thus, both "Linux console" and "GNU/Linux console" are justifiable. > > If we call it the "Linux console", everyone who isn't a wizard will > misunderstand and think it refers to the "Linux operating system". > The only way to avoid promoting this misunderstanding is to call it > the "GNU/Linux console". We can't demand correctness from others with regard to GNU/Linux that we are not willing to provide ourselves. > Neither name is perfectly right, so my decision is to use the one > that doesn't hurt the GNU project. In my opinion that should be the one that does not expose us as hypocrites: that hurts more than anything else could... I already proposed a wording that would make clear that we are talking about the kernel here. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum