From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: It is time for a feature freeze (it is NOW or never). Date: 02 May 2004 09:30:41 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <87hdvux5uz.fsf@orebokech.com> <87lll6v514.fsf@orebokech.com> <200404100109.KAA03816@etlken.m17n.org> <20040501232151.GA10382@fencepost> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1083483371 23331 80.91.224.253 (2 May 2004 07:36:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 07:36:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Kenichi Handa , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , rms@gnu.org, "Kim F. Storm" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sun May 02 09:36:05 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BKBW9-0002Ci-00 for ; Sun, 02 May 2004 09:36:05 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BKBW8-0003Nc-00 for ; Sun, 02 May 2004 09:36:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BKBUY-0001Go-R1 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sun, 02 May 2004 03:34:26 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BKBSr-0008WA-6H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 May 2004 03:32:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BKBSB-00082Q-Nh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 May 2004 03:32:30 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BKBRK-0007Og-K7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 May 2004 03:31:06 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BKBRC-0003Si-Qg; Sun, 02 May 2004 03:31:00 -0400 Original-To: Miles Bader In-Reply-To: <20040501232151.GA10382@fencepost> Original-Lines: 31 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:22519 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:22519 Miles Bader writes: > On Sat, May 01, 2004 at 10:16:25PM +0200, Kim F. Storm wrote: > > > > So when do we declare "feature freeze" ? May 1st ? > > > > > > May 1st sounds very good to me, > > > > Too good to be true ? > > Um, as you seem to be adding many of the new features these days, > why don't you tell us? Hey, that was _before_ May 1, to get a nice feature set to iron out. One that will make people happy for the next three years we need to get a feature release out. Ok, the image stuff seemingly has a few discussions with possible interface changes pending, but the features themselves were in before the feature freeze. And that's the point of a freeze: gather things that really should get it before that all at once, so that one can the solidify on everything afterwards. With regard to solidification, I think that many of Emacs' scrolling functions should get more comfortable with large-height glyphs. While we should avoid last-minute before-release changes (which might introduce deadlocks and similar), quite a bit of changes in that area would qualify not as "features" but as bug fixes. The feature is tall lines, and it needs work to be considered close to proper. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum