From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Options menu Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 01:15:00 +0100 Message-ID: References: <010e01c52c0d$ac93ede0$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> <01c52c6d$Blat.v2.4$713e68a0@zahav.net.il> <006901c52c9b$bcf6c890$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> <002e01c52d9c$000e4350$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> <200503202310.j2KNAmk09163@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <001201c52e15$bc7a26c0$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> <200503212328.j2LNSkd28100@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200503212350.j2LNoR928573@raven.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111451148 20608 80.91.229.2 (22 Mar 2005 00:25:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:25:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lennart.borgman.073@student.lu.se, eliz@gnu.org, jasonr@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 22 01:25:47 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DDXDL-0004hJ-DJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 01:25:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DDXUX-0002cy-AU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:43:29 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DDXSS-0008Ep-T6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:41:21 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DDXSR-0008Cj-4c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:41:19 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DDXSP-00089c-Oq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:41:17 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DDX3H-0005GP-7e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:15:19 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DDX3A-0003uc-A3; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:15:12 -0500 Original-To: Luc Teirlinck In-Reply-To: <200503212350.j2LNoR928573@raven.dms.auburn.edu> (Luc Teirlinck's message of "Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:50:27 -0600 (CST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:34933 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:34933 Luc Teirlinck writes: > David Kastrup wrote: > > > which we can not afford to re-open right now. > > Correct, but I don't see how it would be relevant. > > Several ways. For instance, in that discussion I believe I remember > that Kim proposed to remove the possibility of setting without > saving altogether. I guess this will meet with disagreement from > some people, but if it does get adopted, it would make this entire > discussion completely moot. All options set through Custom or the > Options menu would be saved, because we would have set == saved. So what? This would come with removing the "Save Options" from the menus certainly as well: everything else would not make sense. But we are not looking for a solution for offering a consistent and suitably nonconfusing interface for Emacs-23. We are looking for a consistent and suitabley nonconfusing interface for the next release, Emacs-22.1, with the _current_ version of Customize. And the currently existing combination in CVS is inconsistent and confusing. There is not much we can do about the inconsistency as Customize will not change with its semantics until the release, but we can lessen the confusion this causes. We need to marry the current, unchanged Customize with the menus in the best manner for Emacs-22.1. The future Customize is irrelevant. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum