From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta Subject: Re: Permission to use portions of the recent GNU Emacs Manual Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 08:20:23 +0100 Message-ID: References: <008201c4e629$893e0fd0$0300a8c0@neeeeeee2> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1103527582 14471 80.91.229.6 (20 Dec 2004 07:26:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 07:26:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, xemacs-beta@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, bob@rattlesnake.com, stephen@xemacs.org, 'Paul Pogonyshev' , andy@xemacs.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 20 08:26:11 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CgHvn-0001Ia-00 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 08:26:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CgI6E-0002Sk-P5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 02:36:58 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CgI5p-0002NO-SL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 02:36:33 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CgI5n-0002Jy-3v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 02:36:31 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CgI5n-0002HZ-0o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 02:36:31 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CgHqJ-0005y2-J4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 02:20:31 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CgHlS-0002zd-St; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 02:15:31 -0500 Original-To: "Ben Wing" In-Reply-To: <008201c4e629$893e0fd0$0300a8c0@neeeeeee2> (Ben Wing's message of "Sun, 19 Dec 2004 17:19:14 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:31280 gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta:17523 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:31280 "Ben Wing" writes: >> Which is the FSF's choice. The difference is that XEmacs has >> decided not to bother about assignments and stuff, and due to >> that decision they don't have such a general cooperation to >> offer in a manner useful for Emacs. In contrast, the FSF >> still has the choice to licence the Emacs manual under >> different free licences because they bothered about the >> assignment, and they bother about licences. > > You seem to think that it is the duty of XEmacs to do whatever is > necessary to assure that GNU Emacs can use its code, even to the > extent of hindering the development of XEmacs itself. You seem to think that it is the duty of Emacs to do whatever is necessary to assure that XEmacs can use its manuals under XEmacs' own conditions, even to the extent of reverting the licence choices of Emacs itself. Neither is the other's duty. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum