From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: enriched-mode and switching major modes. Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:17:28 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200409042358.i84Nwjt19152@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <87llfn5ihw.fsf@emacswiki.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1095661093 431 80.91.229.6 (20 Sep 2004 06:18:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 06:18:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Oliver Scholz , bob@rattlesnake.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 20 08:17:58 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C9HUr-0000pJ-00 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:17:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1C9Haj-0006xJ-Cu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 02:24:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1C9Hab-0006vn-RJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 02:23:53 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1C9Hab-0006v8-0t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 02:23:53 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1C9Haa-0006v5-UQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 02:23:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1C9HUR-00056k-7C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 02:17:31 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1C9HUQ-0007Pb-BY; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 02:17:30 -0400 Original-To: Stefan In-Reply-To: (Stefan's message of "Mon, 20 Sep 2004 01:49:22 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:27310 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:27310 Stefan writes: > [ Note; I'm pretty happy with Emacs's current word-processing facilities > right now and don't see any need for it to develop into yet-another > WYSIWYG thingy, so I'm generally not too intereted in this thread, > especially since I don't see anyone actually working on an implementation > of what you're talking about. ] > > I just think that WhyzzyTeX is also an interesting design point: you > get to edit the deep representation (which, AFAIC, is not "just the > disk format" but is the format where I can expresss my *intents*, > i.e. where I can distinguish between two concepts even if they > happen to be rendered identically on the currently used output > mode), while seeing the typeset output "on the fly". But as its display is outside of the scope of Emacs, it is mostly academical for this discussion. More interesting would be speculating about giving "calc" a better formatted formula display: if you have compositions like in "Big mode" (d B), then you can still put the cursor on elements and do selections and so on. If one were to render the stuff with TeX or similar instead, how would one want to implement cursor navigation? -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum