From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Menu again. Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:32:43 +0100 Message-ID: References: <200503241500.j2OF08727332@raven.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111678747 32343 80.91.229.2 (24 Mar 2005 15:39:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:39:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 24 16:39:07 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DEUPk-0007Tn-3Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:38:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DEUf3-0006QK-33 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:54:17 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DEUe1-00068F-8n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:53:13 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DEUdx-00066I-9z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:53:09 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DEUdx-00065u-4Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:53:09 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DEUKC-0003ao-F1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:32:44 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DEUKB-00035z-QX; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:32:44 -0500 Original-To: Luc Teirlinck In-Reply-To: <200503241500.j2OF08727332@raven.dms.auburn.edu> (Luc Teirlinck's message of "Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:00:08 -0600 (CST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:35102 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:35102 Luc Teirlinck writes: > David Kastrup wrote: > > With regard to moving the "Blinking Cursor" option away from the top > menu into the submenu "Appearance" (with this new name instead of the > previous "Hide/Show"): the only complaints that I heard were > procedural complaints about me not waiting long enough before I > install such a change. When people said something about the idea > itself, it seemed supportive. It's been now about 3 days, so I shall > go ahead and do that. If I misunderstood something, reverting is > always possible. > > The objections have been formulated before: > > All the options in Hide/Show hide/show something, in the usual sense > these words have in English. So where is the toolbar hidden when it is off? > blink-cursor-mode does not hide/show the cursor. It does not belong > in this group. That is one of the reason that it was proposed to rename "Hide/Show" to "Appearance". Please don't argue straw men. > That is why Richard asked to commit it at top level. That is news to me. It was placed at the top level because you said that the level of visual discomfort the blinking cursor was giving you made it hard to stand it as long as was needed to disable it. In order to address that concern, the --no-blinking-cursor command line option was introduced. > Hide/Sow is a much more accurate description of what the group > contains than "Appearance". Whatever. We had that discussion long ago, and the general opinion, as given by the outcome of the discussion, in my view differs from yours. Since I don't have either the time or the nerve to quibble further, I will not do anything at all. And I must say that I am disgusted. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum