From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David.Kastrup@t-online.de (David Kastrup) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Will default key bindings spell the death of Emacs? Date: 01 Jun 2003 02:14:47 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <3ED67422.7060305@math.ku.dk> <20030529214728.GA24984@gnu.org> Reply-To: dak@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054426492 16217 80.91.224.249 (1 Jun 2003 00:14:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 00:14:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 01 02:14:50 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19MGUs-0004DE-00 for ; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 02:14:50 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19MGkk-00019G-00 for ; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 02:31:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19MGW5-0004Hl-7S for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sat, 31 May 2003 20:16:05 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19MGVe-0003xQ-Ht for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 31 May 2003 20:15:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19MGVT-0003UV-7B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 31 May 2003 20:15:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mailout04.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.18]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19MGV4-0002WJ-6D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 31 May 2003 20:15:02 -0400 Original-Received: from fwd08.sul.t-online.de by mailout04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 19MGV0-0003Jd-00; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 02:14:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost.localdomain (520018396234-0001@[217.80.160.65]) by fwd08.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 19MGUu-1Mf8amC; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 02:14:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h510EnnY004009; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 02:14:50 +0200 Original-Received: (from dak@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h510Emu8004005; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 02:14:48 +0200 Original-To: bob@rattlesnake.com In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 29 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 X-Sender: 520018396234-0001@t-dialin.net X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14539 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14539 "Robert J. Chassell" writes: > David.Kastrup@t-online.de (David Kastrup) wrote: > > A user interface is something like click with right mouse key on any > menu entry and get a small submenu > > No, that is not correct. So you think the above description should not be called a user interface? > You are specifying a particular kind of user interface for people > who are sighted and who do not want to learn a more efficent > technique. I was giving an example for a user interface. What Emacs has nowadays does not really deserve that name. > But at the same time, Emacs should also provide > > * a user interface for people who are permanently or situationally > blind (Emacs does), and, This is a somewhat orthogonal aim. I don't see why one should make the availability of one user interface depend on that of another. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum