From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta Subject: Re: GNU Emacs release dates Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:44:44 +0100 Message-ID: References: <010701c4cd4c$6e19f520$210110ac@NEEEEEEE> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1100778326 27646 80.91.229.6 (18 Nov 2004 11:45:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:45:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: kevinr@ihs.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 18 12:45:19 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CUkj1-0006zV-00 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:45:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CUkrr-00048I-GD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 06:54:27 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CUkrl-00048C-1p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 06:54:21 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CUkrk-000480-KN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 06:54:20 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CUkrk-00047x-GG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 06:54:20 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CUkiU-0000JI-LT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 06:44:46 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CUkhD-0004Sy-LD; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 06:43:28 -0500 Original-To: "Ben Wing" In-Reply-To: <010701c4cd4c$6e19f520$210110ac@NEEEEEEE> (Ben Wing's message of "Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:56:01 -0600") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:30016 gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta:17041 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:30016 "Ben Wing" writes: > Can anyone add to this? > > > @node Through Version 18, Epoch, A History of Emacs, A History of Emacs > @section Through Version 18 > @cindex version 18, through > @cindex Gosling, James > @cindex Great Usenet Renaming > > As described above, Emacs began life in the mid-1970's as a series of > editor macros for TECO, an early editor on the PDP-10. In the early > 1980's it was rewritten in C as a collaboration between Richard > M. Stallman (RMS) and James Gosling (the creator of Java); its extension > language was known as @dfn{Mocklisp}. This version of Emacs-in-C formed > the basis for the early versions of GNU Emacs and also for Gosling's > Unipress Emacs, a commercial product. Because of bad blood between the > two over the issue of commercialism, RMS pretty much disowned this > collaboration, referring to it as "Gosling Emacs". I guess you'll find that RMS' account of that will be very much different. AFAIK, there was no colloboration, but rather some code borrowing (I should think in both directions, but the sources are not really clear about that. It could also be that Gosling Emacs was just inspired by the earlier existing Emacs, and not actually be using code from it. Somebody acquainted with the actual code or history should probably know better than I do). However, Gosling later pulled the permission for his code parts, and RMS had to replace everything in GNU Emacs that had been placed in there (by himself, drawing on Gosling's work as far as I am able to interpret the available docs). This was pretty seminal, I believe, both in inspiring creation of the GPL as well as the copyright assignment policy. You may find RMS' account of these events more or less at . -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum