From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Menu again. Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:11:21 +0100 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111673969 17171 80.91.229.2 (24 Mar 2005 14:19:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:19:29 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 24 15:19:29 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DETAP-0005CZ-My for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:18:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DETLf-0000ka-Iz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:30:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DETKm-0000fB-UL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:29:17 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DETKk-0000dS-Ef for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:29:14 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DETKj-0000cR-Pj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:29:13 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DET3S-0005Lo-Gs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:11:22 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DET3R-0000ot-To for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:11:22 -0500 Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:35098 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:35098 I have just had a user complain in a German Usenet group that "Options/Truncate Long Lines in this buffer" is not saved when you use "Save Options". Now anybody with half a brain should be able to figure out that since "this buffer" does not exist in the next Emacs session, there is nothing to save here. While in the long run, I don't think Emacs will appeal to people without the ability to think straight, it might perhaps be prudent to remove this particular option, which is the only one that only applies to "this buffer" in the Options menu, as far as I can see. With regard to moving the "Blinking Cursor" option away from the top menu into the submenu "Appearance" (with this new name instead of the previous "Hide/Show"): the only complaints that I heard were procedural complaints about me not waiting long enough before I install such a change. When people said something about the idea itself, it seemed supportive. It's been now about 3 days, so I shall go ahead and do that. If I misunderstood something, reverting is always possible. With regard to my other proposal, switching the order of the "Customize Emacs" and "Save Options" menu, it has been pointed out that the current order is important to inform the user that "Save Options" will not save any options set by "Customize Emacs". I offered to implement that "Save Options" would prompt and offer to save also unsaved Options set by "Customize", making it possible to switch the order of options into the customary one while giving the user a less subtle hint about what happens. However, no agreement could be reached about the proper way to address the problem. As a result, things are going to stay as they are there absent of divine intervention. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum