From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Permission to use portions of the recent GNU Emacs Manual Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 09:57:56 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87k6rollef.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> <87r7lw9xay.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1102842080 30891 80.91.229.6 (12 Dec 2004 09:01:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 09:01:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Richard Stallman , xemacs-beta@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Sun Dec 12 10:01:12 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org ([199.184.165.135] ident=ident-user) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CdPbM-0004S1-00 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:01:12 +0100 Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBC8w7iQ006542; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 03:58:08 -0500 Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBC8w5Sr006537 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 03:58:05 -0500 Original-Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id iBC8w5Dh006536 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 03:58:05 -0500 Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBC8w4Bt006524 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 03:58:04 -0500 Original-Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id iBC8w4gs006522 for xemacweb@tux.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 03:58:04 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [199.232.76.164]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBC8w3tI006517 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 03:58:04 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CdPUO-00016i-2r; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 03:54:00 -0500 Original-To: kfogel@red-bean.com In-Reply-To: <87r7lw9xay.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> (Karl Fogel's message of "11 Dec 2004 18:26:13 -0600") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/622/Wed Dec 8 08:36:53 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/622/Wed Dec 8 08:36:53 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/622/Wed Dec 8 08:36:53 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/622/Wed Dec 8 08:36:53 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta:17415 gmane.emacs.devel:31026 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:31026 Karl Fogel writes: > Stefan Monnier writes: >> I don't see any benefit from using the GFDL over the GPL that would justify >> the downside of preventing the XEmacs people from using our documentation. >> [ Unless we consider that as an upside, but I really don't see any good >> reason why we should be so antagonizing. ] Similarly, the licensing problems >> it can cause when extracting docs and doc-skeletons out of code >> is worrisome. > > I agree. > > It is bad that our docs are license-incompatible with XEmacs's GPL'd > docs. It's bad for the XEmacs developers and other Emacs forks, irrelevant for us, since only FSF copyright assigned contributions are accepted into Emacs and its manual, anyway, and the copyright holder is free to move stuff between licences within the scope of the assignment contracts. > It is also confusing how the GFDL interacts with extracted docs from > non-GFDL code, as you point out. Again, this is not a problem for Emacs development itself (the copyright all being by the FSF), but for every fork of it. Which makes it appear to me as jibing with the idea of a Public Licence. As explained elsewhere, I do think the GFDL a good idea, but I don't like the implications of using it tightly coupled with GPLed software development. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum