From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ispell-region with M-$ in transient-mark-mode Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:45:10 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87zmz7m2qr.fsf@jurta.org> <01c4fd95$Blat.v2.2.2$b13f8120@zahav.net.il> <87651u6w4g.fsf@jurta.org> <01c4fde1$Blat.v2.2.2$f4f851c0@zahav.net.il> <87hdldkgim.fsf@jurta.org> <200501192130.j0JLUJN14421@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200501200019.j0K0JE315959@raven.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1106210977 6444 80.91.229.6 (20 Jan 2005 08:49:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:49:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Luc Teirlinck , k.stevens@ieee.org, ispell-el-bugs@itcorp.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org, eliz@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 20 09:49:29 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CrY0P-0007AU-00 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:49:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrYCO-0006GD-OK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 04:01:52 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1CrYAO-0005lK-UT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:59:49 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1CrYAL-0005iP-9j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:59:45 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrYAK-0005gO-Ae for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:59:44 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CrXwG-0000Fq-35 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:45:12 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CrXuw-00085H-8N; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:43:50 -0500 Original-To: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) In-Reply-To: (Kim F. Storm's message of "Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:18:29 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:32411 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:32411 storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) writes: > Luc Teirlinck writes: > >> What is wrong with `C-x C-u'? The region case commands are not used >> that often that two keystrokes is too much. > > Because they are not used very often, it is hard to remember two > different bindings for upcase. > > M-u in a region would mean "upcase every word in the region". > > M-$ in a region would mean "ispell every word in the region". > > That is simple and intuitive (IMO), at least with > transient-mark-mode. I am not so sure about that. It is simple and intuitive if you have _temporary_ transient-mark-mode enabled, possibly by using the mouse. In this case we have an explicit act that set up the region. However, for people that use pc-selection-mode or just transient-mark-mode, there often is an _unintended_ transient region. I am not so sure that it is intuitive in that case if it affects the word commands. Now I am of the opinion that _permanent_ transient-mark-mode and its cousins are an abomination in user interface design if I ever saw one. But they are something we _also_ need to think of when saying something like "at least with transient-mark-mode". With _temporary_ transient-mark-mode, I share your opinion. But not with the permanent one. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum