From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Putting blink-cursor-mode in Options menu. Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 17:58:01 +0100 Message-ID: References: <200503010034.j210Y4k13181@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200503011608.j21G8OL15703@raven.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1109696278 27982 80.91.229.2 (1 Mar 2005 16:57:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:57:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 01 17:57:57 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D6AgK-0007Bq-2T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 17:57:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D6Ayu-0002Vv-8O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 12:16:24 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1D6AwU-0001bZ-4q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 12:13:54 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1D6AwQ-0001Zx-IN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 12:13:51 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D6AwP-0001Yb-EH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 12:13:49 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D6Ah8-0007cs-Mm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 11:58:02 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D6Ah8-00062W-4B; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 11:58:02 -0500 Original-To: Luc Teirlinck In-Reply-To: <200503011608.j21G8OL15703@raven.dms.auburn.edu> (Luc Teirlinck's message of "Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:08:24 -0600 (CST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:33991 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:33991 Luc Teirlinck writes: > > Hence, I believe that it needs to be on the Options > > menu and be very visible there, i.e. on top. The patch below does that. > > IMO, that is the wrong place. > > It belongs on the Options=>Show/hide submenu. > > I do not understand why that would be logical. Because it is a visual feature that you want to see or not. > We are not talking about _hiding_ the cursor. I personally would > not think of searching in that submenu, except with a "One never > knows, I have seen people put things in strange places before" type > attitude. Then perhaps we should rename the menu. It definitely does not "hide" things, since a scrollbar or toolbar or speedbar or similar does not get hidden, but removed or switched off. Maybe it should be called "Appearance" or something. > I believe that `blink-cursor-mode' is definitely important enough to > be at top level. I don't believe so. We won't get further by restating our beliefs. This is not something that can easily be "solved", we can at best make a poll. A poll among users would be most relevant, and if we don't have that, a poll on developers. Personally, if settings render Emacs unusable (like you claim) for some audience, then these settings must be changeable from the command line with the man page saying so. That is the only safe way people will have a chance to arrive at a working Emacs without suffering a heart attack or epilepsy or blindness or whatever beforehand. > _Every_ option is supposed to be completely irrelevant to the > majority of people. If not, the default is wrong. So you say that a car need only accommodate right turns, or the default street corners are wrong? -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum